David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012

[Idris2002]

 

[butchersapron]

I think we can now all see why face palm was so reticent about talking about their views earlier...

Anyone who starts from the position that the protocols might be true (who am i to judge type mystifications and so on) and then goes onto argue that

"I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War. This Jewish/non-Jewish Elite used the First World War to secure the Balfour Declaration and the principle of the Jewish State of Israel (for which, given the genetic history of most Jewish people, there is absolutely no justification on historical grounds or any other). They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament."

is a stone cold-anti-semite. Icke does both - publicly and repeatedly (of course, being a stone -cold anti-semite doesn't preclude you from being a money-grabbing con-man or have mental health issues.)

BTW, plenty more when this came from faux pas. Tiresome?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Yes, it's not.

Oh dear.

 

[Blagsta]

You keep suggesting Icke is racist or anti-semitic, but I'd be surprised if you could find one statement that he has actually made in that regard. With you bleating on about this so much on this thread, you would have thought he would have actually made some racist/antisemitic remark somewhere.

Oh dear, someone hasn't been paying attention. Robot's Rebellion refers to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a genuine document.

 

[faux pas]

I think we can now all see why face palm was so reticent about talking about their views earlier...

Anyone who starts from the position that the protocols might be true (who am i to judge type mystifications and so on) and then goes onto argue that

is a stone cold-anti-semite. Icke does both - publicly and repeatedly (of course, being a stone -cold anti-semite doesn't preclude you from being a money-grabbing con-man or have mental health issues.)

BTW, plenty more when this came from faux pas. Tiresome?

yawn

Icke believes a fraction of jews to be 'Rothchild Zionists'. This is not a racist or antisemitic belief, no matter how eager you are to scream 'racist' or 'anti-semite' at the drop of a hat, as I'm afraid some of you seem to be so inclined to do. Why, only one can speculate.

 

[manny-p]

yawn

Icke believes a fraction of jews to be 'Rothchild Zionists'. This is not a racist or antisemitic belief, no matter how eager you are to scream 'racist' or 'anti-semite' at the drop of a hat, as I'm afraid some of you seem to be so inclined to do. Why, only one can speculate.

Whether anti semitic or not the guy talks pure shite.

 

[Orang Utan]

yawn

Icke believes a fraction of jews to be 'Rothchild Zionists'. This is not a racist or antisemitic belief, no matter how eager you are to scream 'racist' or 'anti-semite' at the drop of a hat, as I'm afraid some of you seem to be so inclined to do. Why, only one can speculate.

'i don't hate all jews, just the ones that are trying to control us'.
it's totally anti-semitic!

 

[faux pas]

Oh dear, someone hasn't been paying attention. Robot's Rebellion refers to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a genuine document.

Is this an admission that you can't find even one racist or anti-semitic remark Icke has actually made. Well, I did say I'd be surprised.

 

[Blagsta]

yawn

Icke believes a fraction of jews to be 'Rothchild Zionists'. This is not a racist or antisemitic belief, no matter how eager you are to scream 'racist' or 'anti-semite' at the drop of a hat, as I'm afraid some of you seem to be so inclined to do. Why, only one can speculate.

So why his promotion of the protocols?

 

[Blagsta]

Is this an admission that you can't find even one racist or anti-semitic remark Icke has actually made. Well, I did say I'd be surprised.

Hang on a minute - are you seriously claiming that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are not anti-semitic?

 

[faux pas]

'i don't hate all jews, just the ones that are trying to control us'.
it's totally anti-semitic!

Not if you don't hate them because they are jewish, but because they are 'Rothchild Zionists'.

 

[butchersapron]

yawn

Icke believes a fraction of jews to be 'Rothchild Zionists'. This is not a racist or antisemitic belief, no matter how eager you are to scream 'racist' or 'anti-semite' at the drop of a hat, as I'm afraid some of you seem to be so inclined to do. Why, only one can speculate.

When tied to a winking defence (or even your favoured committed non-committal) of The protocols of the elders of zion - the most famous anti-semtic document in history - it is. How could it not be?

 

[Blagsta]

Not if you don't hate them because they are jewish, but because they are 'Rothchild Zionists'.

What is a "Rothschild Zionist"?

 

[Orang Utan]

Not if you don't hate them because they are jewish, but because they are 'Rothchild Zionists'.

but you're identifying them as jewish.
it's like saying 'i hate blacks' and then justifying it by saying you only hate the uppity ones.

 

[Roadkill]

Is this an admission that you can't find even one racist or anti-semitic remark Icke has actually made. Well, I did say I'd be surprised.

Icke quotes approving from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a defamatory and blatantly anti-Semitic forgery which was exposed as such in the 1920s. Do you really not understand what is anti-Semitic about this?

 

[butchersapron]

Not if you don't hate them because they are jewish, but because they are 'Rothchild Zionists'.

What if you don't hate them because they're gay but because they're black gays?

 

[faux pas]

Hang on a minute - are you seriously claiming that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are not anti-semitic?

I'm not actually claiming anything (don't confuse Butchers). You're doing the claiming. I'd like to know if Icke has actually ever made a racist or antisemitic remark. You would have thought so being as you keep banging on about him being racist/anti-semitic.

 

[Lock&Light]

I'm not actually claiming anything (don't confuse Butchers). You're doing the claiming. I'd like to know if Icke has actually ever made a racist or antisemitic remark. You would have thought so being as you keep banging on about him being racist/anti-semitic.

You're not reading the replies, are you?

 

[butchersapron]

This is great stuff faux pah

Here is icke flirting with holocaust denial:

"The same attitude that suppressed the challenge to the manipulation of World War Two, today sees people vilified and jailed for questioning some of the official versions of the Holocaust in Nazi Germany. If you do that, no one listens to the evidence because this is lost in the tidal wave of vilification and condemnation. If people want to believe that all those who question the official line are Nazis and apologists for the Hitler regime, or anti-Jewish, then they must go ahead and do so. But I'll tell them this. They are kidding themselves, because that isn't true. It simply isn't."

 

[Orang Utan]

I'm not actually claiming anything (don't confuse Butchers). You're doing the claiming. I'd like to know if Icke has actually ever made a racist or antisemitic remark. You would have thought so being as you keep banging on about him being racist/anti-semitic.

did you not see stephj's quote of his in post 402?

 

[Blagsta]

I'm not actually claiming anything (don't confuse Butchers). You're doing the claiming. I'd like to know if Icke has actually ever made a racist or antisemitic remark. You would have thought so being as you keep banging on about him being racist/anti-semitic.

Yes you are claiming something. You're claiming that Icke promoting the Protocols as a genuine document isn't anti-semitic.

Earlier you claimed to think "not much" about the Protocols.

 

[stethoscope]

Convinced yourself of all this have you faux pas, you anti-semitic apologist?

Or are you a billy bullshitter who's been found out for not really knowing what you're talking about and now you are desperately trying to defend your comments?

Your call.

 

[Roadkill]

Is David Icke really powerful enough to censor you? Get on with it!

Hang on a minute. Wilf didn't mention censorship. All he said is that Icke's talk of bloodlines and lizards 'takes us further and further' from having a discussion of the actual influence of what some like to refer to as 'Big Pharma' and its influence. I read that as saying that Icke and his ilk are a distraction - with which, if that's how Wilf meant it, I'd agree.

The fact you suddenly assume he's talking about censorship looks to me to be symptomatic of your paranoia. Either that or your slippery debating tactics. Or both.

 

[faux pas]

but you're identifying them as jewish.
it's like saying 'i hate blacks' and then justifying it by saying you only hate the uppity ones.

No, it's like saying I hate Rothchild Zionists regardless as to whether they are jewish or not.

 

[Blagsta]

No, it's like saying I hate Rothchild Zionists regardless as to whether they are jewish or not.

What is a "rothschild zionist"?

 

[Orang Utan]

No, it's like saying I hate Rothchild Zionists regardless as to whether they are jewish or not.

but they are jewish!

 

[stethoscope]

No, it's like saying I hate Rothchild Zionists regardless as to whether they are jewish or not.

These whole movements are predicated on referring to their Jewishness. It's not just a 'their Jewishness doesn't matter'. And Icke's feeble 'I'm not anti-semitic' disclaimer at the start of a book or show doesn't change that either.

 

[TruXta]

These whole movements are predicated on referring to their Jewishness. It's not just a 'their Jewishness doesn't matter'. And Icke's feeble 'I'm not anti-semitic' disclaimer at the start of a book or show doesn't change that either.

Icke's laughable defense is that he's not anti-semitic, because these people are reptiles, not actual human beings. Not enough facepalms in the fucking world.

 

[faux pas]

What if you don't hate them because they're gay but because they're black gays?

No wouldn't be the same. In your example your hate would come from either a hate of them being gay or black or both. That's different from hating someone for being a Rothchild Zionist rather than for being jewish.

 

[butchersapron]

Shall we have another one?

"The "Jews" of the Global Elite could not give a damn about Jewish people, as the Germans in the clique could not care less about the German people. To them, the masses of whatever race, colour or country, are a herd of nonentities who are there to be used only as necessary to serve their master --- the Luciferic Consciousness on the Fourth Dimension. The "All-Seeing" Jews, however, and their non-Jewish conspirators, use the smokescreen of "anti-Semitism" and the genuine suffering of real Jews to prevent investigation of their sinister activities. I am convinced that it was this clique which wrote and leaked the Protocols [of the Elders of Zion] and made it look like a plot by Jewish people as a whole. It is not. No, no, no!"