David Davis resigns as MP over civil liberties

[Dravinian]

Exactly what I thought when I realised the vote was today!

Yeah how surprising, 26 candidates standing, entire event watered down to the point of meaningless.

Who would have guessed, oh me apparently.

 

[danny la rouge]

Not a peep. Not an eyebrow above the parapet of media awareness.

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah how surprising, 26 candidates standing, entire event watered down to the point of meaningless.

Who would have guessed, oh me apparently.

Ity never ends with you does it?

 

[treelover]

yes, it does seem to indicate that civil liberties is not the main priority for the bulk of the UK voters, but can appear so due to the sheer media influence of the CL lobbies.

btw, not condoning 42 days, just trying to highlight he media's and the liberal lefts cultural power and what it cares about.

 

[magneze]

Maybe I've been looking for it but there has been TV, radio and newspaper coverage of this election. Each time the 42 days issue has been raised and discussed. Useful no?

 

[soulman]

Car tax is more important

 

[magneze]

 

[JHE]

I think there has been quite a lot of coverage of the by-election and some debate of the sort Davis wanted. I've seen and heard next to nothing today, but that's normal on the day of the vote, isn't it? I expect there'll be the usual late-night coverage tonight for insomniacs and keen election-watchers.

 

[magneze]

I'd say there was certainly more debate than there would otherwise have been.

 

[elbows]

There wasnt enough debate of the core civil liberties & 42 days issue for my liking, but yeah it was better than nothing.

Meanwhile I hear they were worried about the 26 candidates causing the stage to collapse, so they will all be on the floor instead, and told to keep their speeches brief (not much chance of that)

 

[butchersapron]

It was nothing. The idea that DD would put this on the agenda was a monstrous idiocy from the very start. It wasn't designed to do that. As has now been borne out in reality.

 

[magneze]

It was on the agenda, not as widely as we'd have got if Labour or someone like Kelvin Mackenzie had stood (which is, of course, why they didn't). Nevertheless it was there.

 

[soulman]

There's something arrogant about your response that doesn't sit too well with me.

 

[butchersapron]

Having a late night weepy? Fired up the burner?

 

[magneze]

Weepy? You've referred to soulman like that before I think. May I ask why?

 

[butchersapron]

Because he gets drunk, comes on here and follows me around crying.

 

[soulman]

You think people follow you around don't you?

 

[butchersapron]

No, i don't.

 

[butchersapron]

For over three weeks, the argument about liberty and security has crackled in the comment pages, the blogosphere and the airwaves. It has continued in the pubs and cafés, the offices and parks of Britain in a most heartening way. The initial jeers and smears of the Westminster village saying that it was but a madcap vanity stunt were quickly swamped by a tidal wave of opinion from the public, who made their voices heard by phoning and emailing and commenting in droves.

No it hasn't.

VOTE TORY

 

[JHE]

Turnout: 34.5%

Apparently, that's relatively good for a parliamentary by-election.

 

[liampreston]

Right, here goes......Thank the heavens Glasgow East only has 9 candidates!

David DAVIS (Con) 17,113
Shan OAKES (Green) 1,758 (
Joanne ROBINSON (EngDem) 1,714
Tess CULNANE (NatFront) 544
Gemma GARRETT (Miss Great Britain) 521
Jill SAWARD (Ind) 492
Mad COW-GIRL (OMRLP) 412
Walter SWEENEY (Ind) 238
John NICHOLSON (Ind) 162
David CRAIG (Ind) 135
David PINDER (New) 135
David ICKE (-) 110
Hamish HOWITT (F4C) 91
Chris TALBOT (SEP) 84
Grace ASTLEY (Ind) 77
George HARGREAVES (Christian) 76
David BISHOP (Elvis) 44
John UPEX (Ind) 38
Greg WOOD (Ind) 32
Eamonn FITZPATRICK (Ind) 31
Ronnie CARROLL (MPH) 29
Thomas DARWOOD (Ind) 25
Christopher FOREN (Ind) 23
Herbert CROSSMAN (Ind) 11
Tony FARNON (Ind) 8
Norman SCARTH (Ind) 8

 

[gentlegreen]

At least we won't ever have him as home secretary now ... though they're always authoritarian idiots whatever the party - even the LibDem's man is spouting crap at the moment.

 

[bellacat]

So he wasn't standing as an Independent then?
Funny that.

Tell me again why his position was so courageous and admirable. Because, I have to confess, I'm a little lost.

 

[gentlegreen]

Sorry to say he was the token grammar school boy in an Etonian cabinet.

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=dHLjYBsl2zA

Presumably he'll vanish without a trace now ....

 

[weltweit]

Well I was completely underwhelmed by that national debate on civil liberties and 42 days !!

It was so underwhelmind I did not even hear that it went on at all!

A mandate ... for Davis? what mandate ?

 

[bellacat]

Thank you for saying you will come. OK, I will go and make that speech, and I will preface it by saying, I am not a Conservative, but I am here because this is bigger than party politics. This is about freedom and fear and life and liberty, and it is absolutely important because it affects ALL of us. I expect terrorists to attack our freedoms and to try to make us all live in a permanent state of fearfulness and I expect Parliament to protect our freedoms and what is happening? And ....[long list of terrible things including 28 days].

If it was 'bigger than party politics' then Mr. Davis would have stood as an independent. He didn't. What does that tell you? And do you really, really think that if the Tories had been in power their reaction would have been any different to that of New Labour? Google 'internment'.

 

[Dravinian]

I would just like to take this chance to remind people that I was absolutely spot on from the start. Almost everything I said, in great detail, came to pass.

So would all those people that contradicted me, said I was entirely wrong, called into question my conclusions given what people were suggesting.

Would they like to explain to me how it helped having 26 candidates on the stage, or not as the case was? Can they tell me what great new protest has the media attention and spotlight that the country will be looking to in the near future? Can they explain how waiting for their personally perfect candidate helped us in the fight for our civil liberties?

Of course not, because sadly this thread is a microcosm of the left in general, too much in-fighting, too much rigidity, not enough compromise and an inability to see a good opportunity when it stares them in the face.

I am disappointed, I consider myself mainly left wing and I wanted to see a real fight against Civil Liberties, instead what we got was a joke, and now who is talking about 42 Detention and ID Cards?

No one is. So well done all those who wanted your own candidate, you got what you wanted.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Well, you know, the media concentrated on Davis' position within the Tories and nothing happened. As predicted. It was a pointless race, as predicted, and the only media interest was in what it meant for internal Tory leadership politics, as predicted, despite a number of other groups getting involved, who were routinely signed off as fringe - even the Greens who actually had a good platform and tried hard. So, well, I can't see how that comes within a sniff of you being in any sense or any way "spot on".

 

[FridgeMagnet]

wtf am I doing replying to one of his posts, slap me somebody

 

[danny la rouge]