Diane Abbott suspended as Labour MP.

[Kid_Eternity]

WTF even is a peerage? Sit in the house of lords and achieve fuck all. Its basically a care home

Tell me you don’t understand how parliamentary democracy works without telling me you don’t understand how parliamentary democracy works…

 

[andysays]

Eh? That’s not how peerages word…and she said outright she doesn’t want one which shuts down that for future…really not a smart way of dealing with things…

I interpreted what she was reported as saying as meaning she wasn't prepared to be bought off, ie to stand down now as an MP on the promise of a peerage, rather than saying she would never accept a peerage under any circumstances.

 

[belboid]

Eh? That’s not how peerages word…and she said outright she doesn’t want one which shuts down that for future…really not a smart way of dealing with things…

You have developed a penchant for talking the most absurd drivel, recently. Are you trying to gamble away all your money?

Saying she doesn't want one has precisely zero affect upon her likelihood of receiving one.

 

[Wilf]

So, election on the 4th July and Dorham Miner's on the 13th. Wonder if the newly elected MP for Durham North will get an invite?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

You have developed a penchant for talking the most absurd drivel, recently. Are you trying to gamble away all your money?

Saying she doesn't want one has precisely zero affect upon her likelihood of receiving one.

Right back at you, clearly you're clueless how the nominations system works and how being quoted in such absolute terms is reported and remembered. As an aside I note this has had zero impact on Labour's polling or Starmers so really just goes to show how niche and inside baseball this stuff is...

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I interpreted what she was reported as saying as meaning she wasn't prepared to be bought off, ie to stand down now as an MP on the promise of a peerage, rather than saying she would never accept a peerage under any circumstances.

Lol ok. That's not what she said but you live by whatever head canon you need...

 

[ska invita]

This is the thing with using procedural tricks to win a factional war within a ropey system, in theory you can then use the precedent of those same tricks back at the abuser, collapsing the whole thing. But it takes people prepared to do that.....the dominant "faction" in the LP is so dominant here, in numbers and in positions of power, there just isn't the fight back required.

Needs endless challenges like this

 

[brogdale]

Needs endless challenges like this

Blimey; what's the context? Who was he talking about; JVL, Jewish anti-israeli protestors or others?

 

[hash tag]

I understand, rightly so, that DA is furious

Frank Hester donated further £5m to Tories in January, figures show

Data also shows party accepted £150,000 from Hester days after comments about Diane Abbott condemned as racist were revealed

www.theguardian.com

 

[Pickman's model]

I understand, rightly so, that DA is furious

Frank Hester donated further £5m to Tories in January, figures show

Data also shows party accepted £150,000 from Hester days after comments about Diane Abbott condemned as racist were revealed

www.theguardian.com

you don't have to be racist to be a tory donor but it helps

 

[Sasaferrato]

Needs endless challenges like this

WTAF!

 

[Sasaferrato]

I understand, rightly so, that DA is furious

Frank Hester donated further £5m to Tories in January, figures show

Data also shows party accepted £150,000 from Hester days after comments about Diane Abbott condemned as racist were revealed

www.theguardian.com

Curious that someone with so much money chooses to donate to the party that is awaiting virtual wipeout on the 4th of July. A peerage at some point in the future I suppose.

 

[Wilf]

Curious that someone with so much money chooses to donate to the party that is awaiting virtual wipeout on the 4th of July. A peerage at some point in the future I suppose.

'For services to racism...'

 

[Fozzie Bear]

This seems unwise, but what do I know?

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/diane-abbott-campaign

Maybe it was all ready to go in case she was standing as an independent?

 

[Sue]

This seems unwise, but what do I know?

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/diane-abbott-campaign

Maybe it was all ready to go in case she was standing as an independent?

That's very strange. Is this something people standing for mainstream parties do these days? (It'd definitely make more sense if she was standing as an independent but that obviously mentions Labour.)

 

[Santino]

That's very strange. Is this something people standing for mainstream parties do these days? (It'd definitely make more sense if she was standing as an independent but that obviously mentions Labour.)

It's very common in the USA to solicit donations from supporters at every level.

 

[Sue]

It's very common in the USA to solicit donations from supporters at every level.

Sure. It's not here though AFAIK.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Jess Phillips has done one too.

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/jess-phillips-election-fighting-fund

Bizarre and wrong.

Surely it favours candidates who are on TV a lot?

 

[belboid]

Jess Phillips has done one too.

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/jess-phillips-election-fighting-fund

Bizarre and wrong.

Surely it favours candidates who are on TV a lot?

and my local 'independent' https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/maxine-bowler-for-brightside-and-hillsborough-1

£150

£5,000 target 26 days left

3%. 6 supporters

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Sure. It's not here though AFAIK.

I guess online crowdfunders are a recent thing so you couldn't do this a few years ago. But yeah, it does seem very odd. Surely if they want you to support a Labour candidate financially, they should direct you to join the Labour Party and pay your subs – plus any extra if you're that way inclined.

 

[Sue]

I guess online crowdfunders are a recent thing so you couldn't do this a few years ago. But yeah, it does seem very odd. Surely if they want you to support a Labour candidate financially, they should direct you to join the Labour Party and pay your subs – plus any extra if you're that way inclined.

Yeah, I mean it's more understandable with independents who don't have the party machine/money behind them and need to find 500 quid to stand then money for leaflets and stuff. Although raising 12p or whatever in a Crowdfunder doesn't exactly make you look like you've got much/any support...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Looking it up, there were noises about scrapping the deposit of £500 a few years ago. Instead of that, they doubled it to £1000. Fair enough for fringe candidates to ask for help with that as they're not getting it back.

Edited. Sorry, it's still £500. It costs £1,000 to stand for the London Authority in local elections! London. More expensive for everything, including democracy.

The deposit (Constituency member)

 

[emanymton]

and my local 'independent' https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/maxine-bowler-for-brightside-and-hillsborough-1

£150

£5,000 target 26 days left

3%. 6 supporters

And from the comments at least one of those is from London.

 

[Pickman's model]

Looking it up, there were noises about scrapping the deposit of £500 a few years ago. Instead of that, they doubled it to £1000. Fair enough for fringe candidates to ask for help with that as they're not getting it back.

Edited. Sorry, it's still £500. It costs £1,000 to stand for the London Authority in local elections! London. More expensive for everything, including democracy.

The deposit (Constituency member)

elections aren't democracy

 

[tim]

I guess online crowdfunders are a recent thing so you couldn't do this a few years ago. But yeah, it does seem very odd. Surely if they want you to support a Labour candidate financially, they should direct you to join the Labour Party and pay your subs – plus any extra if you're that way inclined.

I might want to support Abbott's campaign but not give money to general party funds.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I might want to support Abbott's campaign but not give money to general party funds.

I guess. Abbott's a good example of someone who doesn't need your money, though (if she's standing for Labour, that is). Hell, she doesn't even need to campaign really.

 

[Wilf]

Just by way of contrast, the hideous Keith Vaz was still a party member till a few days ago, when he decided to stand for another party. That is, he was a party member after offering to buy coke for a sex worker and being found guilty of bullying a House of Commons clerk and, well, literally too many other controversies for me to even cut and paste from his wiki page:

Keith Vaz - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Edit, to add that the lucky, lucky voters of Leicester East will also have Claudia Webbe standing again!

Disgraced Keith Vaz expelled from Labour as he stands for One Leicester party

Exclusive: Vaz to run in Leicester East, infuriating Labour candidates who have campaigned for his eviction for years

www.theguardian.com

 

[hash tag]

Oh dear. I see she has a target of £15,000 and has so far raised £1818. It's not going well.

 

[Sasaferrato]

The SNP are £80,000 in debt*, a number of their would be MPs have opened funding pages, not with much success.

*This is very strange for a party that should have at least £600,000 in the bank.

 

[ouirdeaux]

elections aren't democracy

What would you suggest in their place?