exosculate
a stagger with a beat
An MI5 front organisation?
David Davis resigns as MP over civil liberties
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An MI5 front organisation?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They're the official representatives of The International Committee of the Fourth International i'm afraid.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jun2008/elec-j23.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jun2008/elec-j23.shtml
liampreston
Spend time, not money
Cheers =) In an election already populated by some of the more...."individual" members of the general population, I guess a little outcrop of hitherto unknown (to me at least) socialism don't look too out of place.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
David Icke standing on an anti-illuminati platform.
Harman must be the most loathesome woman in British politics. I only detest Margaret Hodge more because that is somebody truly without any redeeming qualities and Harman aint got form for brushing child abuse under the carpet but dear Harriet, well if there is anybody else who more typifies what makes New Labour so vomit inducing, I aint yet met them.
And of course they have been spinning against Chakrabarti. Her support for David Davies really is a kick in the bollocks for them because its one of the key reasons why people seem to be giving Davies the benefit of the doubt over this issue. Her support justifys his claims of doing what he has done out of principle.
The only thing in Harmans defence is that I doubt she would recognise a principle if one leapt up and bit her in the face so perhaps she cannot believe that he might have done what he did for any thing other than selfish career reasons since her whole life has just been one climb up the political ladder, including her tenure in Chakrabartis job.
Harman makes my skin crawl when ever I see her on the TV. Nasty piece of work.
Naivety doesn't help your case, I'm afraid.
Look I am a bit of a right wing lunatic and Ms Chakrabarti aint excately my ideal choice of somebody I would want to be stuck on a desert Island with. All I see her, in the main, is defending scum bags so I hold no candle for her at all.
But her very vocal support for what DD has done does mean a lot to many many people and does help him cross the political divide. Its damaging to the New Labour project and as such they would do anything, including telling people she is playing hide the civil liberty with Davies.
I wish I could agree, but I can't.
Psychonaut
Well-Known Member
What do people make of this - Does/should it hurt Davis's 'principled' credibility?
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FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I find that a little hard to answer, given that he doesn't have any credibility with me in the first place, and I don't think that he should have any with anyone else either.
COME AND CROSS-EXAMINE DAVID DAVIS DIRECTLY
The Observer has decided to host an event entitled "Liberty in Peril" in Westminster on Thursday 3rd July at 7pm, including David Davis (former MP), Henry Porter, David Aaronovitch, and Denis MacShane (but, predictably, no Shan Oakes and no other Greens, let alone any of the other 24 candidates in the contest).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jun/27/daviddavis.haltemprice1?gusrc=rss&feed=politics
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I think we should be more worried that David Davis has such close ties to Terrorism.
He bought a paper last Saturday, from a guy who owned a Papershop, now that guy had earlier sold a newspaper to another guy, who was born in an Arabic nation which was also the birth place of a terrorist.
He might as well be in bed with them.
Holy crap, what a load of bollox.
Shock Horror, David Davis' staff MIGHT not share his opinion on everything!!
Absolutely right! He bought a pack of lies off some chump called Bliar who bought them off some other chump called Bush and the whole load of them are going to a war crimes trial in the International Criminal Court in the Hague for the illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. DavidDavisForFreedomForDavidDavis has extremely bizarre views on state terrorism.
Listen, I'd love to stay and chew the fat till the cows come home but we've got the icing to put on our Green Haltemprice landslide cake, and I've just stuck £100,000 on "other candidate" to win at 10-1, so I'll have a million in my back pocket on July 11th, just as DavidDavisForFreedomForDavidDavis is clocking in to see his personal assistance surveyor supervisor interrogator collaborator in the JobCentrePlusMinus once he's got his frame on his Tebbit tricycle.
Thatcher's 30 year neoliberal, Hayekian revolution is dead. It died in the opiate graveyards of Helmand and Maysan in that vile neo-Suez cooked up by crooks, quasi-Capones and state terrorists like Bliar, Brown and DaviDDavISsFOrFredDOmFRIESForFriendsWithIDCardStockPortfolios
Good riddance to all of it.
It's time for a new social democratic environmentalist settlement.
Absolutely right! He bought a pack of lies off some chump called Bliar who bought them off some other chump called Bush and the whole load of them are going to a war crimes trial in the International Criminal Court in the Hague for the illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. DavidDavisForFreedomForDavidDavis has extremely bizarre views on state terrorism.
Listen, I'd love to stay and chew the fat till the cows come home but we've got the icing to put on our Green Haltemprice landslide cake, and I've just stuck £100,000 on "other candidate" to win at 10-1, so I'll have a million in my back pocket on July 11th, just as DavidDavisForFreedomForDavidDavis is clocking in to see his personal assistance surveyor supervisor interrogator collaborator in the JobCentrePlusMinus once he's got his frame on his Tebbit tricycle.
Thatcher's 30 year neoliberal, Hayekian revolution is dead. It died in the opiate graveyards of Helmand and Maysan in that vile neo-Suez cooked up by crooks, quasi-Capones and state terrorists like Bliar, Brown and DaviDDavISsFOrFredDOmFRIESForFriendsWithIDCardStockPortfolios
Good riddance to all of it.
It's time for a new social democratic environmentalist settlement.
So simply by putting his name with such arch Conservatives as Thatcher, Tebbit, Bush and Blair that somehow makes anything you just said make sense?
Ever heard the phrase, the enemy of my enemy is my friend?
I think it applies in this case.
David Davis is the 'enemy' to the authoritarian government.
I can't stand the bastard myself, but I care even less for an Authoritarian government that seems to have no public opposition. David Davis has created that opposition.
Therefore, he is my friend, as soon as 'this' battle is over, then fuck David Davis, I will campaign against him as hard as I campaigned against Authoritarian measures.
untethered
For industry & decency
Dead? Not only is it firmly in the ascendant but there's absolutely no serious opposition whatsoever.
No amount of sticking your fingers in your ears singing "la la la" is going to change that. Or, indeed, spending time on a futile Green Party campaign in the naive belief that it represents the dawning of a new age of politics.
Incidentally, I say this not as a supporter of neoliberalism but as someone who would in fact like you to be right, at least in some respects.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Are the local Greens letting you out on the doopstep Anatole?
Now there is a woman standing on domestic violence and abuse issues as well, I am sure that will dent hte support too.
The woman sounded like a right fucking annoying idiot too, same old garbage that "People I know" don't mind being filmed everywhere they go becuase they don't think they have anything to hide.
Yeah say that to your friends when one of them gets caught cheating on their wife, or shopping when they phoned in sick...ask em after that happens whether they still have nothing to hide.
To be honest, I had to turn the radio off for a bit while she was on, because she was annoying me so much and the interviewer was so overwhelmed by the womans terrible personal life story, that she didn't once contradict any of the crap the woman was spewing forth.
THis of course is an emotive issue to some and it will mean that the vote for DD will be split, which of course will allow the Government to pretend their polls weren't really fixed to give the answer they wanted and instead reflect true public opinion...look see, someone stands on the issue and the support is meh.
TO be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if the woman was a Shill for the Labour party designed to split the vote, though that is a bit cynical almost bordering on the fucking paranoid, but I wouldn't put it past them, give it a few months I am sure they will leave the document confirming it on a bus.
JHE
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CCTV cameras are put up to deter crime and CCTV recordings, when they work and are kept, can help identify the culprits when crimes are committed.
Neither your jealous spouse nor your distrustful boss has the opportunity or time to watch thousands and thousands of hours of CCTV recordings on the off chance of catching you out as the liar they suspect you are. Try not to worry about such utterly unrealistic scenarios!
Some woman has annoyed you by pointing out that most people are NOT opposed to CCTV. That's a pity, I suppose, but I'm going to add to your annoyance by telling you that she was telling you the truth: MOST people do NOT object to CCTV.
If you want to persuade those of us who are not bothered that we ought to be bothered, you will have to do something better than telling your fairy stories about employers and spouses.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Dravinian is just annoyed his heroes credentials as captain civil liberties have bnen shown to be...well...dodgy, adn that he's been shown to a mug taken for a ride by an experienced operator.
Fedayn
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Yes I have, and the following points that you make show it to be a ridiculous and absurd way to judge your politics and who you should support.
As you say "can't stand the bastard myself" but I hope he wins..... Funnily enough i've never thought that such a position is either justifiable or even slightly sensible.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Is the most grotesque political 'principle' ever vomited forth from the wooden brain of the liberals.
Ridiculous since you have ignored the entire argument that this has fuck all to do with party politics. Just forgot that argument, because you simply don't have an answer for it.
This is a SINGLE ISSUE that goes far beyond party politics.
I am not supporting a political party, I am supporting freedom, civil liberties, individual rights.
The fact that it is David Davis creating the spotlight, is utterly irrelevent to anyone who really cares about the issues, rather then their own self importance.
Hope he wins......a Minor victory in a seat he was almost guarenteed to win in the first place...oh yeah, selling out the entire country there, how is that justifiable.
You are caught up in your own image about yourself and what you can and can't stand, oh my hatred of the Conservatives is so profound that I can't even campaign on the same platform as them regardless of how important the issue is to the country as a whole.
You would rather sit around on the internet, and watch as our civil liberties continue to get eroded or join some factional fight that the mainstream media ignores so that David Davis can fall flat on his face and the Government can justify ramping up their authoritarian agenda on the basis of...well the people have spoken, they clearly want more.
Yet you consider my view unjustifiable.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
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Fedayn
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Ridiculous since you have ignored the entire argument that this has fuck all to do with party politics. Just forgot that argument, because you simply don't have an answer for it.
This is a SINGLE ISSUE that goes far beyond party politics.
I am not supporting a political party, I am supporting freedom, civil liberties, individual rights.
The fact that it is David Davis creating the spotlight, is utterly irrelevent to anyone who really cares about the issues, rather then their own self importance.
Hope he wins......a Minor victory in a seat he was almost guarenteed to win in the first place...oh yeah, selling out the entire country there, how is that justifiable.
You are caught up in your own image about yourself and what you can and can't stand, oh my hatred of the Conservatives is so profound that I can't even campaign on the same platform as them regardless of how important the issue is to the country as a whole.
You would rather sit around on the internet, and watch as our civil liberties continue to get eroded or join some factional fight that the mainstream media ignores so that David Davis can fall flat on his face and the Government can justify ramping up their authoritarian agenda on the basis of...well the people have spoken, they clearly want more.
Yet you consider my view unjustifiable.
How can I have ignored the whole argument when I pointed it out, your own idiotic application of 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend'.
You know fuck all about me, your own idiocy making you unable to make a sensible reply to the rather obvious criticism of the idiotic policy that is 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend'. You have no knowledge whatsoever about what I do irl, what I am involved in irl, where and when I am politically active. So might I suggest you keep your own ill informed ignorance to yourself.
Criticism, you talked utter bullshit and made extrapolations that supporting David Davis on a single cause is somehow 'judging your political support'
How is that a criticism, you have ignored the major issue, you still have again in this post, because you simply have no fucking answer for it, you want to sit on the side sniping at anyone that fails to meet your superior hatred of the Conservative party that blinds you to an opportunity.
Then you want to moan that I haven't addressed your pathetic ego stroking bullshit post.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
A politics based on, as you admit yourself, 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend' needs no extrapolation, it is in and of istelf utter bullshit. Your support, political and otherwise in this election os for 'Davis' apparently oh so principled stance. Like it or not your political support is in this instance for Davis. Tactical excuses are merely that excuses.
As I said, given you do not know me nor what I am involved in you have absolutely no grounds to base your pathetic "you want to sit on the side sniping at anyone" remark.
Ego stroking? Oh do fuck off you fucking clown. The only person with the ego is you.
Adrian Ramsay (future Green MP for Norwich South) - The Greens are the real civil liberties party ("New Statesman" magazine):
http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2008/06/civil-liberties-party-rights
http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2008/06/civil-liberties-party-rights
You have not shown in ANYWAY why supporting Davis in a Local election would have any devestating effect on anything other then the Conservative Party.
Yet you won't compromise, you won't use the situation to our best advantage, no you will snipe from the sidelines about other peoples "political support" like you are better then them.
Alright lets have this shit out. I will answer your shit and put my question to you again.
Why is lending David Davis, a back bencher in his party, "political support" such a big issue when it is merely a local election that he was always going to win anyway, and no one has asked for any support to be offered to him beyond that? Why such a big deal?
My question.
How is splitting the vote between many candidates going to help the cause of fighting for civil liberties? How will it look when Davis get in by a slim majority and 6 other candidates all get a share of the vote? How is the media and NuLabour portraying this as the people speaking for their protection from Terrorism going to help anyone interested in protecting civil liberties?
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