David Davis resigns as MP over civil liberties
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If you actually stripped out the usual rhetoric of The Sun he made some good points.
The amount of people on this board who are happy to VOTE LABOUR, and MARCH WITH FUNDAMENTALISTS, does it really make a difference if some VOTE TORY ?
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
No see the important thing here is to bang on some superior principle that allows you deride anyone who agrees on single principal with a politician because of their overall political viewpoint.
I mean why support Abraham Lincoln on abolition because after all he's a republican? Much better to waste your time spouting 200 plus posts on urban, while claiming you're putting together an alternative candidate.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
The thing is, supporting an anti-civil-liberties candidate's campaign for internal position and party success in a fake election is a bit counter-productive in terms of actually promoting civil liberties. I would say.
I would say that getting, I dunno 1/10th of the people who marched against the Iraq war to turn up in a small area near Grimsby the day of a by-election is going to swamp the area so completely that the press will be UNABLE to take a photograph or film a voter without there being a crowd of people supporting civil liberties.
I would be surprised if the press could move with that number of people in his constituency.
How can that image be counter-productive.
Jeff Robinson
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exosculate
a stagger with a beat
'O' dear!
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
You were saying there's loads of support for civil liberties in Britain (in terms of resucing 42 days etc), the polls say no, do you have evidence to support what you are saying, or is it simply wishful thinking?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I think there is less feeling against 42 days than D Davis thinks, but as long as he also links in things like ID Cards he should be able to find a way to win re-election. If he limits his campaign to 42 days however I think there is a good chance that he will lose.
magneze
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There was something either on this thread or in the Independent which exposed this "public support for 42 days" as a myth. Mainly because the poll question was engineered to sway the argument to pro 42 days ...
John Quays
the reverend relapse
Depends on how you put the question.
If you ask, 'should terrorist suspects be held without charge for up to 42 days?' the reply is rather predictable.
If you ask, 'should potentially innocent people be held for up to 42 days without charge in case they are terrorists?' it changes the complexion of the thing.
If you ask the same thing without even using the words 'in case they are terrorists'...
If you ask, 'should terrorist suspects be held without charge for up to 42 days?' the reply is rather predictable.
If you ask, 'should potentially innocent people be held for up to 42 days without charge in case they are terrorists?' it changes the complexion of the thing.
If you ask the same thing without even using the words 'in case they are terrorists'...
Speculation. In the mean time Badger Kitten seems to think he is genuine about this issue.
Perhaps you think we should wait until the perfect opportunity. I'm sure it will come along soon. Sadly, so far this is the best one.
FridgeMagnet
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The thing is, I think DD is genuinne about this issue. It's where he stands on other civil liberty issues that procludes as being a champion for the wider cause.
I still say this is a great opportunity to have peple up there, widening the debate. Challenging Davis and anyone who stands against him about say, ID cards, exporting terror suspects and so on. If BK does decide to give a speech, I think the message can be integoral. There's no need to ask peple to vote DD and compromise that message. As with Dravinian's idea. You can have a show of banners, get on camera, etc. Just don't say "VOTE CONSERVATIVE."
Doesn't give the first toss about the same civil liberties as you, that is what you mean, you just assume that you get to define what civil liberties are, and what is acceptable and what is not, where the line should be drawn.
Anyone who doesn't met your ideals, doesn't give a toss about civil liberties...apparently at all, ever and can't ever pipe up at any time, because well you didn't disagree to 28 days. So you clearly must agree with forced rendition flights, torture, cctv, ID cards, 42 day detention, DNA Databases.
You simply must, becuase you don't agree with me on every single aspect of Civil Liberties.
You do realise how completely ridiculous that is?
I think that pro-civil rights supporters should applaud Davis and make a big fuss about what an understanding liberal minded person he is. The more you praise him the more likely that his Conservative core voters will reject him. In that way he might get to lose his seat. That would be a result I would like to see for the old hypocritical, chancer. Sadly he would be replaced by a Liberal, but it would mess up the Conservative party quite a bit to lose one of their big hitters.
Sometimes you can get a result by making a feint rather than going for the goal directly.
Sometimes you can get a result by making a feint rather than going for the goal directly.
There is also the other win win situation that even if he regains his seat, is seen as having a lot of public support and uses that to mount a challenge for the leadership.
Well who is that bad news for, the only people I can think that is bad news for is the Conservatives.
At the end of the day, I think they already won the next election, so if it is Davis or Cameron in charge, I don't really care.
At least with Davis you have some idea of the level of asshole you are getting, you can't pin down Cameron and that is worrying, I already assume that he is conservative so therefore an asshole, but is he a Thatcher level of asshole or just a John Major level of asshole? John Major was more inept then he was evil, Thatcher was just a plain evil fucker.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Labour definately will not stand:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7460345.stm
Meanwhile, on the Brillo show Caroline Flint has just mocked some random Cameroon over his ludicrous opinion that only convicted people should be on the DNA database.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7460345.stm
Meanwhile, on the Brillo show Caroline Flint has just mocked some random Cameroon over his ludicrous opinion that only convicted people should be on the DNA database.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Well, since Brown is unwilling to fight an election on these issues, he is in not position to pontificate.
CyberRose
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Lose?! He's a Tory standing in a very safe Tory seat! He won't lose, he'll storm it whatever issue he is claiming to stand on!
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
However, I look forward to Labour refusing to stand in seats they think they can't win from now on. Sets an interesting precedent for parliamentary democracy.
Well if only I had carried out my plan to create the ZZZNone of the Above Party in time, we might have had a chance of an MP with only Davis standing.
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