David Davis resigns as MP over civil liberties

[Dillinger4]

Exactly. There is no constitution.

Unwritten mey arse. PM doesn't like what another democratically elected body is doing, they can just scrap it as Thatcher did with the GLC. No written constitution=no constitution.

It IS written, in the statute books.

 

[cesare]

Yep

Thanks (and Belushi).

I bet they won't but what a wonderful opportunity for a new party to emerge.

 

[Sunspots]

He'll win the safe by-election, and then probably return to being Shadow Home Secretary, right?...

<this took ages to post; did Urban just wobble?>

 

[Belushi]

No it won't! Not in the slightest! That's how stupid people (ie the media etc) wil view it, the reality is it's a very very safe Tory seat that they would never lose to Labour in a million years!

Well you've read my posts, why dont you now try comprehending them?

 

[agricola]

Well done and fair play to him. What a shame the left has been unable to produce anyone capable of this - thus leaving the mantle of ""defender of liberties" to a tory. What a shocking indictemnt of the state of the left today and the times we live in.

Exactly. Davies does this, the weasels Cruddas and Tribble (or whatever his bloody name is) vote with the Government. Yes, its probably a stunt but at least he is actually ensuring that this lunacy keeps being attacked, rather than passing on to the next political football.

Also lol @ Cameron getting doorstepped by some loon.

 

[Belushi]

Exactly. There is no constitution.

Unwritten mey arse. PM doesn't like what another democratically elected body is doing, they can just scrap it as Thatcher did with the GLC. No written constitution=no constitution.

You do understand what a constitution is dont you?

I fail to see the relevance of Thatcher scrapping the GLC - its because we have a constitution that she was able to do that!

 

[liampreston]

This is quite hte most bizarre story. The BBC report :

Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg, who also voted against 42 day detention, said his party would not be fielding a candidate in the by-election, after speaking to Mr Davis.

There are rumours that DD may even stand as an independent.

From what I can gather, he has resigned as a matter of personal principle, he is clearly against the 42 day rule, he wants to make this a matter of personal importance to him, but it is very very unusual to have a forced byelection like this.

I wonder how the other parties will react - will the far left stand in this slice of Yorkshire?

 

[marty21]

A Tory will be standing, he hasnt left the party or anything.

is he standing as a tory or as an independent?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

His statement is up on YouTube:

 

[danny la rouge]

Never thought I'd ever say this, but to the people of Haltemprice and Howden (where?), I say:

Vote Tory!

I agree. I listened to his speech and agreed with every word of it.

No matter the reason they are doing this, on this issue, at this time, he has my support.

 

[Haller]

Davies has consistently been the strongest and most effective shadow minister over the last decade. The fact that he's a Tory doesn't mean he doesn't have principles or political courage.

 

[liampreston]

It's in Yorkshire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haltemprice_and_Howden_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

 

[butchersapron]

Davies has consistently been the strongest and most effective shadow minister over the last decade. The fact that he's a Tory doesn't mean he doesn't have principles or political courage.

a)yes it does
or
b) they're fucking horrible principles as rule

 

[liampreston]

is he standing as a tory or as an independent?

Some blogs are reporting will stand as an independent but this has not been confirmed.

I am a LibDem member, not entirely pleased that we will nto have a candidate, although DD does strike me as a man of principle with a fair few things in common with regards to civil liberties,

This by-election is certainly the most unexpected I can recall!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You do understand what a constitution is dont you?

I fail to see the relevance of Thatcher scrapping the GLC - its because we have a constitution that she was able to do that!

The UK's constitution? This is it: the monarch decides what happens.

In practice, since the monarch dare not use this power, this means: the prime minister rules by royal prerogative.

and


um

that's it.

The relevance of the GLC is that under any written constitution, one layer of democracy is not allowed to simply scrap another layer as there is separation of powers.

 

[agricola]

Some blogs are reporting will stand as an independent but this has not been confirmed.

I am a LibDem member, not entirely pleased that we will nto have a candidate, although DD does strike me as a man of principle with a fair few things in common with regards to civil liberties,

This by-election is certainly the most unexpected I can recall!

He is standing on a single issue - civil liberties, not as a Tory candidate per se, though Cameron has just been saying he and the rest of the Tories will campaign for him.

 

[butchersapron]

Some blogs are reporting will stand as an independent but this has not been confirmed.

I am a LibDem member, not entirely pleased that we will nto have a candidate, although DD does strike me as a man of principle with a fair few things in common with regards to civil liberties,

This by-election is certainly the most unexpected I can recall!

He's pulling the wool over your eyes with this principles bollocks. At very best it's a meeting of tribal sectarian tory interest with a personal principle.

 

[danny la rouge]

is he standing as a tory or as an independent?

He is standing as a Tory, as I understand it.

He resigns forcing a bye election, then is selected by his local party as the candidate.

Side issue: I'm sure they've reseached this, but as I understand it MPs can't resign. They take one of two nominal posts officially not consistent with being an MP ("THe Chiltern Hundreds" and another one) which gets them the sack. So he gets the sack, then gets himself selected as the Tory candidate for the bye election. However, you hold the Chiltern hundreds until the next resignee comes along, so in order to allow him to stand, someone else must have to resign. As I understand it.

 

[marty21]

Some blogs are reporting will stand as an independent but this has not been confirmed.

I am a LibDem member, not entirely pleased that we will nto have a candidate, although DD does strike me as a man of principle with a fair few things in common with regards to civil liberties,

This by-election is certainly the most unexpected I can recall!

if he stands as an independent - then the tories shouldn't put anyone up agaisnt him - if they want to bloody brown's nose some more -- has the man not suffered enough though - depending on ulster unionists to win the vote

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He's pulling the wool over your eyes with this principles bollocks. At very best it's a meeting of tribal sectarian tory interest with a personal principle.

Your world view - Tory=utter cunt - is too simplistic.

 

[marty21]

He is standing as a Tory, as I understand it.

He resigns forcing a bye election, then is selected by his local party as the candidate.

Side issue: I'm sure they've reseached this, but as I understand it MPs can't resign. They take one of two nominal posts officially not consistent with being an MP ("THe Chiltern Hundreds" and another one) which gets them the sack. So he gets the sack, then gets himself selected as the Tory candidate for the bye election. However, you hold the Chiltern hundreds until the next resignee comes along, so in order to allow him to stand, someone else must have to resign. As I understand it.

i think that's right - boris has just done something like that

 

[danny la rouge]

He's pulling the wool over your eyes with this principles bollocks. At very best it's a meeting of tribal sectarian tory interest with a personal principle.

Yes, but on this issue at this time he has my support.

 

[Dillinger4]

The UK's constitution? This is it: the monarch decides what happens.

In practice, since the monarch dare not use this power, this means: the prime minister rules by royal prerogative.

and


um

that's it.

The relevance of the GLC is that under any written constitution, one layer of democracy is not allowed to simply scrap another layer as there is separation of powers.

Not really.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

This is very strange. What a pity that there wasn't a Labour MP doing the same on the same matter of principle.

Of course for David Davis it might just be part of his other campaign, that is to become leader of the Tory Party. When he wins the election, which seems inevitable, even if with a reduced margin then he will be the centre of attention of the Tories, pushing Cameron off the front pages for a while.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Good on him for resigning. If only he didn't want to come straight back again. Tory twat.

 

[Belushi]

The UK's constitution? This is it: the monarch decides what happens.

In practice, since the monarch dare not use this power, this means: the prime minister rules by royal prerogative.

and


um

that's it.

.

Nope, thats not it.

The relevance of the GLC is that under any written constitution, one layer of democracy is not allowed to simply scrap another layer as there is separation of powers

So? how does that support your contention that theres no constitution? You may not like the British Constitution but closing your eyes and pretending that there isnt one is just infantile.

 

[marty21]

still think he'd be better off standing as a one issue candidate, rather than as a tory - people who wouldn't ordinarily vote tory might vote for him as an independent

 

[liampreston]

It says a lot about the state of the nation that a Tory resigning about civil liberties is greeted as a good thing by, if my journey through the blogs is accurate, both left and right !

 

[Belushi]

if he stands as an independent - then the tories shouldn't put anyone up agaisnt him

The Tories have no intention of standing anyone against him.

I cant believe so many are falling for this hook, line and sinker.

 

[butchersapron]

It says a lot about the state of the nation that a Tory resigning about civil liberties is greeted as a good thing by, if my journey through the blogs is accurate, both left and right !

He hasn't resigned over civil liberties, unless civil liberties includes making labour look even worse than they currently do. Come on, you've been at this politics lark for a while now, you should be able to see right through this.