Critiquing Oasis

[Voley]

Right in the thick of it there, party/carnage (every weekend) street

Yeah I thought as much. In for a penny etc.

Fuck it, I can kip on the train next day.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Right in the thick of it there, party/carnage (every weekend) street

Stag and Hen central!

 

[mojo pixy]

They had nothing to write about and Noel never grew or developed his songwriting.

The real 'fourteen words' of truth.

 

[Elpenor]

looking forward to Voley posting live from chip alley

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Had the first two albums as a teenager, and loved them. Haven't listened to anything else and haven't played them for decades but get a strong dose of nostalgia when I hear clips on the radio or TV. Works well as festival, gig, wedding music because its catchy and melodic. That said, I probably wouldn't go to one of their concerts now even if I got a free ticket.

 

[Lotte]

The Masterplan should have been their third and final album release.

Even What's the Story was bloated. The effort and energy that fuelled the first album was already depleted. They had nothing to write about and Noel never grew or developed his songwriting. The reviews for it were negative on the whole, but the universal appeal was strong; it was the second fastest selling album in british history and sold 345,000 in its first week, spent 10 weeks at number one on the LP charts. They were a band that couldn't move on with their sound, and they trod the same path over and over again. Not in a good way like The Ramones or AC/DC, who had a formula that they could tweak occasionally, and keep fresh because Noel wasn't creative enough to do that. He just kept churning, and his solo stuff is the same. Even when he tries to do 'disco' it sounds dull and lifeless. By the time they had Zak Starkey in the band and were doing 'My Generation' as part of their set they were already a heritage act churning out the hits.

I do think brit-pop was basically indie going large. There were tons of post new wave indie pop guitar bands around before, and mostly inspired by 60s pop music, with some punky edges. I remember the indie charts on the Chart Show playing plenty, from The Las, Primal Scream, even Psychic TV's Godstar and on to the 'Madchester' bands. Oasis just happened to be the one of many that became the most popular and succesful.

As for the whole Rave scene, I think many people were going to raves at the weekend and listening to indie guitar music through the week. I straddled both. I took Es and danced Thursday to Sunday and listened to guitar based music through the week. There was crossover. Blur's Girls and Boys was remixed and was a big tune in clubs, and then The Chemical Brothers, Death in Vegas and other dance producers embraced Oasis and The Charlatans/Happy Mondays/Primal Scream etc for collaborations.

Yeah, I was a bit young for rave but there was a big overlap between indie and rave in the first half of the '90s. Didn't the Charlatans start out as an indie-dance band?

I don't mind Be Here Now, but it's a great advert for not doing coke.

 

[savoloysam]

Well we finally got in and standing tickets are now £350 due to "the organiser setting these prices due to market demand".

Absolutely fuck you. Cunts. I'm never listening to these manc twats again.

At least these days you don't have to queue in the morning rain as it soaks you to the bone outside the ticket shop

 

[tommers]

At least these days you don't have to queue in the morning rain as it soaks you to the bone outside the ticket shop

Would be interesting to see the reaction if people did that for 5 hours only to get to the front and be told the prices have more than doubled.

 

[tommers]

I'm still really mad about it.

I still won't use the local Asda cos their parking pissed me off two years ago, and that was like £2 or something.

 

[savoloysam]

I'm still really mad about it.

I still won't use the local Asda cos their parking pissed me off two years ago, and that was like £2 or something.

Try to not to worry about it. Quite often these Réunion gigs turn out to be a disappointment after the hype has gone. For me it's better to have been their before or during a bands peak - Not after.

 

[Petcha]

It's the same with hotels, flights and train tickets. It's a rotten practice.

I don't go to stadium gigs usually. But yeh, we've all got used to it with Uber etc. Don't know how you legislate against it. As mentioned previously various bands have tried to fight ticketmaster but you aint gonna win that fight.

I also dont know how Oasis and their promoters are going to 'cancel' resold tickets? How is that workable? I mean the person using my ticket could just be a mate.

 

[tommers]

Try to not to worry about it. Quite often these Réunion gigs turn out to be a disappointment after the hype has gone. For me it's better to have been their before or during a bands peak - Not after.

Yeah I'm not bothered about not going. I was only trying for my son anyway. It's the principle of it. There was a deal, I sat in a queue for hours for the chance to buy tickets at a specified price. They didn't hold up their end of the deal. If people are just going to not honour their commitments then I don't like dealing with them any more.

 

[Petcha]

Actually just seen the thread above about smart meters. We've all been paying 'surge' fees for decades for our bills really when you think about it. Some people do actually time their showers to avoid it. Market forces.

 

[Aladdin]

 

[Saul Goodman]

it's weird isn't it, we are basically watching the live scamming of a nation with these ticket sales.

And pretty much every other thing that happens every minute of every day.
We've almost reached peak capitalism. All that's left is an air subscription.

 

[pbsmooth]

Lots of people I know getting Oasis tickets don’t seem to have ever mentioned them before or aren’t old enough anyway. I don’t mind just interesting to note. Seems to be a bit like Taylor Swift - people get caught up in the hype and want to be involved and of course seen to be there on social media. I wonder how many people wouldn’t bother if somehow you were banned from telling anyone you went.

Anyway, saw them at Knebworth, loved the first two albums and that time as a teenager, but no desire to pay a fortune for this now.

 

[Siouxsie]

I wasn't successful despite 8 of us all trying from different areas of the country and agreeing to go for designated venues... me- Heaton park, Sister - Heaton Park, Brother in law 1 - Wembley, Brother in law 2 - Wembley, Mr S - Cardiff. Mr S's brother - Cardiff, Mr S's apprentice - Murrayfield, Cousin - Murrayfield.
Not one of us came close but it was an exciting and very enjoyable morning together on Zoom. laughing and reminiscing about long waits in all sorts of weather, bad and good concerts we'd been to or had to endure

So I'm very happy for all the real fans who got lucky, hope you enjoy your day and make many happy memories
I'm not looking back in anger

 

[Voley]

looking forward to Voley posting live from chip alley

I've actually always wanted to see this legendary street in all its Saturday night glory.

 

[SpookyFrank]

When will we get the Robbie Williams reunion that's what I'd like to know. It's about time he put his differences aside for the sake of his fans.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

When will we get the Robbie Williams reunion that's what I'd like to know. It's about time he put his differences aside for the sake of his fans.

He's playing drums for Oasis, with Hitler of Bass, Lord Lucan on rhythm guitar and Myra Hindley on bassoon.

They wanted Charles Manson on keys, but settled for Fred & Rose West doing their Paul & Linda inspired double layering of the ivories.

Haters gonna hate!

 

[Aladdin]

And pretty much every other thing that happens every minute of every day.
We've almost reached peak capitalism. All that's left is an air subscription.

Shhhhhh.....

 

[Derek S-H]

Try to not to worry about it. Quite often these Réunion gigs turn out to be a disappointment after the hype has gone. For me it's better to have been their before or during a bands peak - Not after.

This is actually an interesting point.

I'm going to see a Smiths tribute band on Saturday and their singer has made a point that they represent The Smiths as they would be now, not as they were then.

It's a small and subtle difference, but there's simply no comparing a 20-something full of attitude versus a 50-something that's wiser and more reflective. But Rock & Roll is mostly about presenting an image (look at the Stones), so maybe they'll stick to the former, even if it does appear ludicrous.

 

[BigMoaner]

it's weird isn't it, we are basically watching the live scamming of a nation with these ticket sales.

could they legislate fairly straightforwardly against this?

 

[Nanker Phelge]

This is actually an interesting point.

I'm going to see a Smiths tribute band on Saturday and their singer has made a point that they represent The Smiths as they would be now, not as they were then.

It's a small and subtle difference, but there's simply no comparing a 20-something full of attitude versus a 50-something that's wiser and more reflective. But Rock & Roll is mostly about presenting an image (look at the Stones), so maybe they'll stick to the former, even if it does appear ludicrous.

Morrissey is hardly wiser and more reflective, and he's 65.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

could they legislate fairly straightforwardly against this?

Yes, but they won't cos then they'd be challenged to apply it elsewhere, such as trains, planes, hotels etc...

 

[BigMoaner]

Yes, but they won't cos then they'd be challenged to apply it elsewhere, such as trains, planes, hotels

Makes my blood boil.

 

[tommers]

 

[BigMoaner]

“It’s funny how your dreams change
As your growing old
You don’t wanna be a spaceman
You just want the gold”

Noel Gallagher circa 1994

Wankers

 

[stavros]

 

[No Drama Llama]

My accommodation for the Cardiff gig will be fun. Only thing vaguely affordable is a room in a hostel above a dnb club open till 3am. Ready-made after party.

I'm of an age where a cup of tea and a decent kip might preferable if I'm honest but the next cheapest room was a really shit looking Airbnb that the bloke wanted £300 for. 300 quid for a single bed for the night ffs.

Depending where you live, there are a few trains running after concerts finish and they also lay on extra ones - it's all quite well organised getting people home.