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I shot a man in Reno...
He ripped the melody of that from Stakka Bo 'Here We Go Again' (I think).
Oasis at Knebworth - 20 years ago today!
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He ripped the melody of that from Stakka Bo 'Here We Go Again' (I think).
josef1878
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Some of my mates were at the photo shoot for the Be Here Now cover as they are mates with Brian Cannon who designed the covers. The photo was taken in the er very posh Scholes part of Wigan.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
The Earls Court shows were fucking great...that was their last moment of looking and sounding like a band that might matter one day.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
chasing rainbows still gets a spin here sometimes. 'spin' in the modern context meaning listened to on youtube
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Seriously, they don't. As laughable as they ever were.
Geri
wasn't born to follow
Yes I went to one there and it was brilliant.
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
I don't know what more we need to know about Oasis and the Gallaghers ? What a pointless exercise in documentary.......
Hated them. Hate them now. Utter shit.
NAILED IT
ska invita
back on the other side
My favourite youtuber Kim Justice normally does computer game reviews, but does an occasional political or cultural one. Really great homemade documentaries on Kims channel always...anyhow she's had a go at an Oasis history with the emphasis on Be Here Now...
I blissfully missed out on britpop at the time apart from the odd radio hit but with time ive come to have a little bit of a soft spot for the Gallagher bros, the twats, i like their anti-miserebalism above all, though the music is still pretty drossy to my ears...anyhow its a good watch and treats them fairly i think, well worth a watch with some good insights
I blissfully missed out on britpop at the time apart from the odd radio hit but with time ive come to have a little bit of a soft spot for the Gallagher bros, the twats, i like their anti-miserebalism above all, though the music is still pretty drossy to my ears...anyhow its a good watch and treats them fairly i think, well worth a watch with some good insights
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MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
Never my cup of tea but used to rub shoulders with them in various Camden drinking establishments circa 94. Saw one of them (I think it was Liam) get twatted on the nose somewhere down Parkway. Seem to remember it wasn't undeservered. Fuck I feel old.
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
Liked their music at the time, the first 2 albums, a great reaction to all the housy/disco that was before. Loud guitar music is always good though. Didn't they think they were the Beatles reincarnate or something? Simple stuff, never going to compare to the musical skill that playing Freebird live takes.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
its not that there music was simplistic - its that it was so regressive, so lacking in invention, so drearily cliched. Some catchy tunes and the first album was decent - but musically they were never more than mediocre - nothing about their playing excites the pulse - not a single guitar riff you'd want to learn. But somehow their pedestrian pub rock went stella and helped kill off guitar rock as a genre where anything culturally vital can happen.
But what really boiled my piss about them is that they conflated this backward looking, artistic conservatism and dull machismo with working class masculinity. "We're working class northern blokes - fags and booze and no lah-di-dah artyness or ideas above our station". Thus Achieving the exact opposite of the artists they emulated - narrowing the sense of the possible and damping down the imagination of their public.
But what really boiled my piss about them is that they conflated this backward looking, artistic conservatism and dull machismo with working class masculinity. "We're working class northern blokes - fags and booze and no lah-di-dah artyness or ideas above our station". Thus Achieving the exact opposite of the artists they emulated - narrowing the sense of the possible and damping down the imagination of their public.
ska invita
back on the other side
Great post. I'm coming to Oasis fresh...I think the first thing that made me warm to them was that Noel taking the piss out of Oasis videos that came out on a dvd and went on YouTube a couple of years back. Then reading funny comments both brothers made. Then getting caught up in their We're proper Rock n Roll fuck introspective pretentious chat. I like all of that.
But then when you hear the music it doesn't live up to the attitude. There's no drums. There's no drive. The chord changes are kind of sentimental and naff. The lyrics are... Not saying anything. There's not a lot of rock n Roll there tbh. And as you say Tim, in a way it's actively conservative.
As to what Chilli says that it was a reaction against house and disco, this was against a backdrop of possibly the single most innovative moment in UK music, electronic dance music, which was pushing every barrier standing.
I want to believe in the myth they were making but musically there's just not enough there to get your teeth into. Maybe it comes down to I've never liked cocaine driven music...I just don't relate to it.
Funny, Beatles consciously tried to do the UK everyday folk culture thing, with their oompah numbers, bandstands and coach trips. Oasis tried so hard to be rock n Roll but ended up kind of in a similar everyday wallpaper spot, but by mistake rather than by design. Maybe if you strip out the hype talk its good as sentimental music? i still kind of want to like them...they do have some good moments in amongst it from my limited playing...Morning Glory track for example
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Nice one
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what always boils my piss is how the unskilled uneducated working class who are unable, or unwilling, to express themselves in a manner that satiates a middle class demographic are somehow less worthy. They say nothing to you about your life.
Here's the top selling selling singles of 1994:
1 "Love Is All Around" Wet Wet Wet
2 "Saturday Night" Whigfield
3 "Stay Another Day" East 17
4 "Baby Come Back" Pato Banton featuring Ali and Robin Campbell of UB40
5 "I Swear" All-4-One
6 "Without You" Mariah Carey
7 "Always" Bon Jovi
8 "Crazy for You" Let Loose
9 "Things Can Only Get Better" (D:Reamix) D:Ream
10 "Doop" Doop
Here's the top selling singles of 1996:
1 "Killing Me Softly" Fugees
2 "Wannabe" Spice Girls
3 "Spaceman" Babylon Zoo
4 "Say You'll Be There" Spice Girls
5 "2 Become 1" Spice Girls
6 "Return of the Mack" Mark Morrison
7 "Ooh Aah... Just a Little Bit" Gina G
8 "Three Lions" Baddiel & Skinner & Lightning Seeds
9 "Children" Robert Miles
10 "Mysterious Girl" Peter Andre featuring Bubbler Ranx
Is there a difference? Do we care? Does it matter?
edited: change to top ten singles of 1996, the year of knebworth.
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
what - exactly - are you trying to say? cos i've reread your post several times and i'm none the wiser.
Rosemary Jest
Wrong and Unstable
I liked the first album, but the rest was shite really, wasn't it? Saw them at Leeds Festival in 2000 or 2002 and they were shite, just recruited the two new members whoever they were.
Alan White was a good drummer though, Wonderwall is very difficult to play on the old tubs.
Alan White was a good drummer though, Wonderwall is very difficult to play on the old tubs.
Steel Icarus
we move
What was the top selling album in the UK in 1996?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Never liked oasis myself
Not that they're less worthy. Just not a fan, nor much of a fan of the top 10 selling singles
Not that they're less worthy. Just not a fan, nor much of a fan of the top 10 selling singles
Nice one
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why does it matter to you what their public get from oasis. You think they will have their imaginations dampened and possibilities narrowed. As opposed to say wet wet wet's public, or whigfields's public. Or Mark Morrisons public, or jas Mann's public.
The only person conflating something with something is yourself.
Steel Icarus
we move
Lol, I thought it was Oasis
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
the point is that the great rock stars who Oasis emulated fired the imaginations and expanded the possibilities of young working class people - explicitly highlighting how you didn't have the accept the same drudgery and conformity of your parents, of what society and schooling expected of you - that other possibilities and ideas are out there. This was the great achievement of the popular culture explosion of the post war era (particularly in pop music) - and it was was led by ordinary working class people/lower middle class youth.
Oasis did the opposite - they offered up a conformist, meat and two veg, narrow definition of working class culture - and articulated a world view that was explicitly suspicious of artfulness, imagination, intellectualism, originality, sensuality, sensitivity and femininity - and this was reflected in their musical conservatism. Compare and contrast with the beatles, the stones, the who, david bowie, the sex pistols, the clash, the jam, the smiths, the stone roses, suede, pulp and indeed - blur.
Oasis did the opposite - they offered up a conformist, meat and two veg, narrow definition of working class culture - and articulated a world view that was explicitly suspicious of artfulness, imagination, intellectualism, originality, sensuality, sensitivity and femininity - and this was reflected in their musical conservatism. Compare and contrast with the beatles, the stones, the who, david bowie, the sex pistols, the clash, the jam, the smiths, the stone roses, suede, pulp and indeed - blur.
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