The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Sell, take your initial outlay back and 300 quid for your troubles and donate the rest to Medical Aid for Palestine
Critiquing Oasis
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BristolEcho
Well-Known Member
I didn't mention the band in this as it's the ticket companies that do it. £350 is not a bargain when that was not the advertised price as far as I can see. The band also agree to this...
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
It is very much the band/promoter. It is they who instruct Ticketmaster to use surge/demand pricing or not.
But obviously for concerts that shouldn’t be a thing in the first place. With a service like Uber the argument is that high demand inflates the price, which attracts more drivers to the area to meet that demand, which then eases, so the price goes down.
These concerts have a fixed number of tickets. They knew it would sell out. It’s naked profiteering, pure and simple.
The fun bit now comes if/when they announce more shows. If tickets go back on at the original price I image there will be a legion of pissed off fans who have now paid over twice that price.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Exactly. Liam is a monumental bel
i honestly don’t think they were dull and mundane at the time. Put them on any stage anywhere in the country at that time, even underground arty places, and the crowd would have stopped what they were doing and watched. They were not “raw” in a self conscious way. They just were and that wwas what stopped people in their tracks.She's always been contrary:
Oasis are back. So why all the hatred?
The Britpop band’s long-awaited reunion is a sellout but has provoked a backlash. Maybe they (and their fans) are the wrong kind of working classwww.theguardian.com
But her opinion piece is still an interesting read, if only for the fact that she brings up all the areas of criticism, but then doesn't address any of them (apart from the homophobia).
But yes, there's definitely two separate things going on: the band and their fans. I have zero interest in the band and their music, but their fanbase is more than just 40-something blokes reliving their long-lost youth; there genuinely appears to be youngsters who like unchallenging, uninteresting, meat-and-potatoes Rock from blokes older than their dads.
So, for them, it's not a nostalgia trip, they genuinely feel this fairly crude and lumpen stuff speaks to them in the 21st century. Which I find, frankly, incredible. But then, I'm not a parent, so what do I know about today's youngsters?
Liam is a massive cock though. And they quickly became self conscious, quickly became a paradoy of themselves.
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
That's a fucking terrible article.She's always been contrary:
Oasis are back. So why all the hatred?
The Britpop band’s long-awaited reunion is a sellout but has provoked a backlash. Maybe they (and their fans) are the wrong kind of working class
But her opinion piece is still an interesting read, if only for the fact that she brings up all the areas of criticism, but then doesn't address any of them (apart from the homophobia).
But yes, there's definitely two separate things going on: the band and their fans. I have zero interest in the band and their music, but their fanbase is more than just 40-something blokes reliving their long-lost youth; there genuinely appears to be youngsters who like unchallenging, uninteresting, meat-and-potatoes Rock from blokes older than their dads.
So, for them, it's not a nostalgia trip, they genuinely feel this fairly crude and lumpen stuff speaks to them in the 21st century. Which I find, frankly, incredible. But then, I'm not a parent, so what do I know about today's youngsters?
Take this: So pervasive and crucial at the time, Britpop is now like a sexually transmitted disease – everyone was in the bed but no one admits to being infected by it.
Was Britpop so pervasive and crucial at the time? As I remember it clubs up and down the country were packed with people chewing their faces off to house and techno and jungle and drum & bass and trance and hip hop. For the vast numbers of people going out dancing every weekend Oasis and Blur were an irrelevance, something that popped up in the news from time to time as guitar loving rockist music critics couldn't deal with their beloved pervasive and crucial guitar music being pushed aside for a time, something that kept the tabloids in copy as Noel & Meg went somewhere and did something. People don't admit to being infected by Britpop because despite the impression, the myth, that rock critics like to promote, many many people just didn't give a shit.
She goes on to describe people reacting negatively to a week of 'oh gosh how momentous Oasis are reforming' headlines as undiluted class hatred. As if Oasis were the sole expression of working class culture in the 90s. You want to see 90s working class culture? This is what it looked like to me:
She thinks hating on Oasis is class snobishness, then in her telling of the 90s she erases what many working class youth were actually doing from the story, so that she can fill up some words in yet another hype piece about some mediocre rock band reforming.
I normally try not to hate on bands I'm not into, as we all have different tastes and I listen to loads of stuff that other people think is terrible but I'm so fucking bored of hearing about fucking Oasis as headline news for a week, the hype leading to people to dutifully try to spend hundreds of pounds to buy tickets to see a band they're not really that fussed about so they can be part of something in this atomised pseudo-society we live in.
ska invita
back on the other side
turns out having read the thread because we were wearing bucket hats we were petit booj <class traitorous behaviour
and tbf the rave scene at its peak was a mix of working, petit and mainly lower middle class with a few upper class characters behind the scenes where the money way....
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
She's always been contrary:
Oasis are back. So why all the hatred?
The Britpop band’s long-awaited reunion is a sellout but has provoked a backlash. Maybe they (and their fans) are the wrong kind of working class
But her opinion piece is still an interesting read, if only for the fact that she brings up all the areas of criticism, but then doesn't address any of them (apart from the homophobia).
But yes, there's definitely two separate things going on: the band and their fans. I have zero interest in the band and their music, but their fanbase is more than just 40-something blokes reliving their long-lost youth; there genuinely appears to be youngsters who like unchallenging, uninteresting, meat-and-potatoes Rock from blokes older than their dads.
So, for them, it's not a nostalgia trip, they genuinely feel this fairly crude and lumpen stuff speaks to them in the 21st century. Which I find, frankly, incredible. But then, I'm not a parent, so what do I know about today's youngsters?
And just as full of homophobic atttitudes and racism as any other scene.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Oasis were one of the bands that might have appeared on the radio for a few seconds while I was changing a cassette in the car. But different strokes...
I used to think there should be laws to prevent tickets being sold above face value, but nowadays I just find it comical that anyone would pay ridiculous prices to watch a couple of old men singing the same stuff they sang 20 years previous.
Reggae/Dancehall etc spring to mind. Totally racist and homophobic lyrics just seem to be overlooked, all the time. I don't recall Oasis referring to batty boys particularly often.
Isn't Liam's solo set basically Oasis' greatest hits anyway? Just played the whole of Definitely... on his last tour, so why are people losing their minds, and their savings, on something they could have seen last month. Basically. Noel's not going to add much guitar-wise. Don't get it.
furluxor
snake with a claw
What's The Story was probably the first foreign cassette tape I bought but I never considered Oasis a band I'd like to see live. "We're cunts but you love us" attitude felt off-putting. I think they're a good band and I still like some of the songs (D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman!) but I wouldn't pay £30 to see them live. And it's nothing to do with their age or hype, I just like a culture of mutual respect between musicians and their audience. I'm not surprised that people are hard on Oasis. If your whole marketing strategy is about being a cunt, can't be surprised when you're treated like one.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Not rave
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
…and let’s not even start am with hip hop
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
From that article:She's always been contrary:
Oasis are back. So why all the hatred?
The Britpop band’s long-awaited reunion is a sellout but has provoked a backlash. Maybe they (and their fans) are the wrong kind of working class
But her opinion piece is still an interesting read, if only for the fact that she brings up all the areas of criticism, but then doesn't address any of them (apart from the homophobia).
But yes, there's definitely two separate things going on: the band and their fans. I have zero interest in the band and their music, but their fanbase is more than just 40-something blokes reliving their long-lost youth; there genuinely appears to be youngsters who like unchallenging, uninteresting, meat-and-potatoes Rock from blokes older than their dads.
So, for them, it's not a nostalgia trip, they genuinely feel this fairly crude and lumpen stuff speaks to them in the 21st century. Which I find, frankly, incredible. But then, I'm not a parent, so what do I know about today's youngsters?
The first one, mate. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be the first one.Ellen said:
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The corner of the rave scene I was part of wasn’t, the acceptance of everyone there was on of its many plus points.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
A lot of the people I had grown up with well into drum and bass and garage were violent, criminal and homophobic. Maybe not during the rave itself but still very much there and the music had little or no affect. While the ideology that expressed itself because of raves was amazing, all under one roof raving etc, scratch beneath the surface and of course attitudes were there.
Anyway I still think this is great:
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Apparently, at peak wally, there were 800k people in the queue for tickets at Croke Park, where 85 quid tickets jumped to 350 quid by the time people got to buy them. That was just one point in time. There probably aren't that many people in Ireland who would know an Oasis tune if it came on the radio, so I'm guessing most were either planning to travel, or were planning on buying the tickets to price gouge, and I reckon there were probably more of the latter.
So I had a rethink about whether there should be laws to prevent this, but I'm still undecided on it, as surely some onus should also fall on the buyer who's willing to pay thousands for a ticket that should cost 50 quid. Then I looked at it from another angle... what if the fans who buy tickets at massively inflated prices from price gougers are actually worse than the people selling them. The sellers aren't fans, they're just in it to make a few quid, but the people buying the tickets from them are fans, and they're either depriving other fans of a ticket, or massively inflating prices for them, but because they have a few quid spare and don't care how it affects others, they selfishly buy their way to the front of the queue.
I'm beginning to think maybe there should be laws against selling AND buying tickets above face value, with ridiculously harsh sentences for both.
So I had a rethink about whether there should be laws to prevent this, but I'm still undecided on it, as surely some onus should also fall on the buyer who's willing to pay thousands for a ticket that should cost 50 quid. Then I looked at it from another angle... what if the fans who buy tickets at massively inflated prices from price gougers are actually worse than the people selling them. The sellers aren't fans, they're just in it to make a few quid, but the people buying the tickets from them are fans, and they're either depriving other fans of a ticket, or massively inflating prices for them, but because they have a few quid spare and don't care how it affects others, they selfishly buy their way to the front of the queue.
I'm beginning to think maybe there should be laws against selling AND buying tickets above face value, with ridiculously harsh sentences for both.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Maybe a sentence of being forced to listen to Oasis 24/7 for a few months would work, although that probably counts as cruel and unusual punishment.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
A supersonic swindle: my £1,423 Oasis Ticketmaster hell
With seconds to decide to buy £361 ‘in demand standing’ tickets after hours of queueing, fans may feel exploited rather than exhilarated
It’s only basically what happens in housing. Though you don’t hear anyone in the government muttering about making laws there.
Don Katsu
New Member
You wouldn’t find Hitler paying 350 quid a ticket
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
to defeat the touts they have become the touts. First saw this surge pricing nonsense talked about on here, apparently in that london theres bars that do it on booze. Sooner or later we're going to have to start making some examples of people engaged in this gouging behaviour.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yeah, if ever there was a series of gigs where the band have the power and call the shots, this is it.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I half heartedly thought of trying to do this when I saw the resale prices.
Though, of course, it was then too late.
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
A few yrs ago Springsteen fans were moaning about Ticketmaster using dynamic pricing for his shows. Some thought ‘man of the people’ Bruce would surely do something about it if he knew what was going on. But when asked he said nothing more than ‘out of my hands, buddy’. Which, as we all know, was bollocks, and from someone like him that did come across as hypercritical.
But that’s one thing we can’t level against the Gallaghers because, one thing that’s never been in any doubt, is that the main thing they ever cared about was getting rich. I clearly remember Noel after their first flush of success boasting about how many million he had in the bank. It’s the main reason the likes of the Sun loved them, cos here was two working class lads totally in yer face about making shitloads of dosh. Proper aspirational, that.
So it’s not so much a case of them being honest working class lads made good (money) and if you don’t like them then you’re a snob. It’s about your attitude to musicians whose artistic ambitions start and end with becoming rich and famous. If you share their values - and clearly lots of people do - then you’ll probably defend them to the hilt and open up your wallet. And that’s fine. But that’s really all they’re about.
But that’s one thing we can’t level against the Gallaghers because, one thing that’s never been in any doubt, is that the main thing they ever cared about was getting rich. I clearly remember Noel after their first flush of success boasting about how many million he had in the bank. It’s the main reason the likes of the Sun loved them, cos here was two working class lads totally in yer face about making shitloads of dosh. Proper aspirational, that.
So it’s not so much a case of them being honest working class lads made good (money) and if you don’t like them then you’re a snob. It’s about your attitude to musicians whose artistic ambitions start and end with becoming rich and famous. If you share their values - and clearly lots of people do - then you’ll probably defend them to the hilt and open up your wallet. And that’s fine. But that’s really all they’re about.
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