Critiquing Oasis
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Being utterly derivative was the point of Britpop. They all nicked loads from previous eras and were unashamed of it. And it got hyped to the skies partly because of how great that was for the record industry. Combined with the introduction of CD's it was a great way to get new generations to buy old shit and old farts to rebuy it in ''improved' formats. Win win.
Add in it all happening as Thatcherism was finally dying, a new world was about to be born (ohh, if only), England had a half decent football team and it was all just a beacon of positivity in massive contrast to the frequently depressive music of the eighties. Live Forever and Cigarettes & Alcohol are both magnificent three minutes of cockiness and swagger and fuck it. Who gives a shit if those chords had been used before. Then Beatles ripped of Chuck Berry (and others).
It couldn't last. Blur and Pulp both developed a bit and made more interesting noises, most of the others just seem to stop. Sadly, Oasis continued and put out umpteen albums of absolute dirges that no one could really give a flying fuck about.
Add in it all happening as Thatcherism was finally dying, a new world was about to be born (ohh, if only), England had a half decent football team and it was all just a beacon of positivity in massive contrast to the frequently depressive music of the eighties. Live Forever and Cigarettes & Alcohol are both magnificent three minutes of cockiness and swagger and fuck it. Who gives a shit if those chords had been used before. Then Beatles ripped of Chuck Berry (and others).
It couldn't last. Blur and Pulp both developed a bit and made more interesting noises, most of the others just seem to stop. Sadly, Oasis continued and put out umpteen albums of absolute dirges that no one could really give a flying fuck about.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Catatonia were pretty original.
ska invita
back on the other side
for anyone feeling nostalgic. they make me laugh. they always seem like they have just woken up. so half arsed
Noel is funny....i enjoyed that podcast you posted with them just talking about favourite comedy shows....seems like someone you could genuinely spend time with...
THat DVD extra of Noel talking over Oasis videos posted somewhere on these boards was when I started warming to them.....theyre not taking themselves all that seriously ..Liam takes himself seriously but every band needs a frontman and he is that
And yeah at the time i found it all very ploddy, though next to DnB most things were tbh, but looking at the live videos poeple seem to jump up and down to them, and at this point in my life a bit slower and more turgid feels about right
Still not really my thing but Id rather see them than most any other band mentioned on this thread....including revival Ringo and Mcartney! Wonderwall is really annoying but Hey Jude is even more so!! [hot take]for anyone feeling nostalgic. they make me laugh. they always seem like they have just woken up. so half arsed
Journo to Liam about his brother: 'When is he ever wrong?
Liam to journo quick as a flash: 'When I'm right'
Fookin love them. Idiots.
savoloysam
Pigman's pigman's ha ha charade you are..
Noel Gallagher isn't fit to tune Johhny Marr's guitar.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Johnny Marr gave Noel one of his guitars so he obviously disagrees.
Marr's obviously a better guitarist however Noel is a very very good songwriter. Listening back to those first two albums I'd put him up in the top echelon of UK songwriters. And he was doing it by himself pretty much whereas I gather the Smiths stuff was very much both Marr and Morrissey.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Because he (Moz) was an insular twat who only cared for his own internal dialogue.
I know Morrissey's (ex) tour manager of many many years and he said that when he had people like Boz Boorer around him to set him straight he kept his stupid thoughts to himself, but as those long term collaborators departed his side he had no one left to tell him when he was being an idiot. His band is now is mostly hired hands. If I was Johnny Marr I'd have ditched his arse in 86 when he came up with his Black Music conspiracy theories. Marr clearly didn't read the Melody Maker or was happy to work with a racist loon.
Another friend was a huge Morrissey fan and had a huge collection of rare records and memorabilia. He binned the lot and won't listen to him anymore.
The Stones Roses wrote 'Black bones are the original bones And this the whole wide world should know' because they knew where all music came from.
Morrissey loves Elvis - where did he think that music came from?
Yeah
They came across as proper surprised at how well they were doing.
Liam is all over the place jittering... ..but behind the shades and bravado there is an innocence and I think some shyness....his replies are quite honest.
I'd say they were blown away by the success of that first album.
Yes..their dad was violent drunk and beat them and their mam up. She kicked him out and had to fight the council to stay in their house. They've got masses of respect for their mam.A really sad fact about them is noel used to have a stutter, which he put down to him being beaten all the time by his dad
there's is a vulnerability there in many of the songs
ska invita
back on the other side
Every genre has it's more commercial or populist elements, if a scene has legs it will run, no band can kill off a scene
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
And they all ebb and flow, usually as their crowds age and move on, some to be picked up later by a different generation.
Jennaonthebeach
What would Picard do?
If Macca and Ringo getting together to record stuff under the Beatles name counts as a reunion, then the last one was in 2023.
Jennaonthebeach
What would Picard do?
I always thought the Smiths' music did sound joyful; Marr's guitar against Moz's lyrics and less tuneful voice. But Oasis sound flat and monotone by comparison.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
The Smiths sound early on was a very thin Byrds jingle jangle. I really didn't like them, but gave them a few trys because lots of people went on about them. It wasn't until later (86/87) that I liked a couple of their songs, whereas I found Morrissey's early solo stuff was a vast improvement. I don't rate Johnny Marr as a guitar player really. I saw him live once. So dull.
The Smiths first album isn't a patch on Oasis first album.
The Smiths first album isn't a patch on Oasis first album.
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savoloysam
Pigman's pigman's ha ha charade you are..
Yea I knew that but still they are miles apart in terms of technical ability.
Jennaonthebeach
What would Picard do?
I haven't been interested in any of Marr's solo stuff. It bores the pants off me. He needed a Morrissey (or similar - i quite liked him when he played with Kirsty MacColl, The The, Bragg, Pretenders, even Bryan Ferry) imo.
The first Smiths album is famously rubbish though. It should be disregarded as no Smiths fan rates it.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
“Laugh your head off round there”
Liam and Noel visit their old hood
I lived next door to Burnage ( half a mile if that from Shifters the record shop they used to go to ) .It was a mixed private and social housing area , with most people in work and hardly a hood.
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
Matter of opinion, but the big difference is that Oasis never did anything better than their first one, while The Smiths definitely did (not maybe).
ska invita
back on the other side
As a rule of thumb I reckon most big 'sounds' have a half life of ten years - ten strong, peak years at best, after which its diminishing returns after that ...
unless theres a massive update to the formula, in which case it qualifies as a new sound
ska invita
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hood just means neighbourhood tbf
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
I meant neighbourhood!
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