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Critiquing Oasis

Jennaonthebeach said:
Status Quo for the under 60s.
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Idris2002 said:
The Gallaghers were a pair of Irish lads (the clue is in the name) who were from Mayo. And ya know who else was from Mayo?



I'd say they expanded their horizons quite dramatically, given where they started from.
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They were Manchester, born and bred. Their mother was from Mayo.
 
ATOMIC SUPLEX said:
OK so they shamelessly rip off and regurgitate older rock and roll tropes and styles, they admit this themselves. They are not creating something new, just a more bland mish mash of the hits of yonder. Musically I think the turgid shit they churned out and the excuse for doing it was/is as valid as it is for anyone. Anything goes in music. Copy and evolve / devolve. It's just depressing that the public couldn't get enough of that MOR conservative brown sludge they swirled up on the palate. Oasis don't deserve the pedestal they are on, but the people who put them there deserve the uninspiring, tory boy, rugby league, monkey music they got. The misogyny and homophobia just goes to highlight the depressingly luddite angle from which these little boys approached their 'art' . . . . It also reinforces my opinion that they are all five star twats.
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Don't hold back, tell us what you really think!

I believe they were discovered by Alan McGee who saw them playing some tiny dive in front of half a dozen people and declared that they were the, "future of Rock & Roll." (thanks for nothing, Alan)

Now I'd like to believe he was being ironic because they've always worn their influences so clearly - Slade, The Beatles, The Sex Pistols, The Stone Roses - and always looked back, never forward. I mean, it's just meat-and-potatoes Rock: five White blokes playing bass, drums and guitars - it's the Western Rock template to a tee.

However, I'm a big fan of The Smiths and exactly the same accusation could be levelled at them on the surface, though there's absolutely no comparison between them whatsoever. I think it's more about their audience - I'm not sure if it is all lairy blokes off their tits on booze and drugs, I think there's more variety than that, and if there's more variety then there's more room for interpretation of their work.

They never spoke to me in any way, but that's generally how music works: it's more about an emotional connection than an intellectual one, more about how it makes you feel than chin-stroking analysis. I think they're terrible, but the hundreds of thousands of people who'll be attending clearly don't.
 
Derek S-H said:
Don't hold back, tell us what you really think!

I believe they were discovered by Alan McGee who saw them playing some tiny dive in front of half a dozen people and declared that they were the, "future of Rock & Roll." (thanks for nothing, Alan)

Now I'd like to believe he was being ironic because they've always worn their influences so clearly - Slade, The Beatles, The Sex Pistols, The Stone Roses - and always looked back, never forward. I mean, it's just meat-and-potatoes Rock: five White blokes playing bass, drums and guitars - it's the Western Rock template to a tee.

However, I'm a big fan of The Smiths and exactly the same accusation could be levelled at them on the surface, though there's absolutely no comparison between them whatsoever. I think it's more about their audience - I'm not sure if it is all lairy blokes off their tits on booze and drugs, I think there's more variety than that, and if there's more variety then there's more room for interpretation of their work.

They never spoke to me in any way, but that's generally how music works: it's more about an emotional connection than an intellectual one, more about how it makes you feel than chin-stroking analysis. I think they're terrible, but the hundreds of thousands of people who'll be attending clearly don't.
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Everyone of whichever era will always be attached to the music of their adolescence since you “feel” more at that age and there’s no rhyme or reason to it.
 
stavros said:
If only that were the case, and all their songs sounded like "Columbia", their debut single.
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Honestly it wasn't only sentiment that made me keep the Supersonic 7". It actually has everything you need from Oasis, the nonsense-swagger chantalong of Supersonic and the just-funny-enough-not-to-be-mawkish melancholia of Take Me Away. No further Oasis material is required, it has everything they do in two songs, two of Noel's best on one disc.
 
I went to knebworth and it was a worse experience than commando test week.

I’ll save my Oasis for occasionally hearing it on the pub jukebox

Not saying I won’t sing along if drunk in a crowd….its just I don’t do crowds or drunk enough any more
 
Jennaonthebeach said:
I know it is said, often, but not all Status Quo songs sounded the same, but they were all pretty safe and predictable and failed to challenge anyone who called themselves a Status Quo fan.
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Indeed. Quo are much more nuanced than their stereotypes. Much like a significant proportion of Queen fans only own the Greatest Hits. I reckon you could do a compilation of their obscure album tracks and most couldn’t identify it as Queen.
 
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After being branded ‘OASIS-QUO’ by their detractors for years, OASIS

have finally teamed up with veteran rockers STATUS QUO and will release a single in the New Year – courtesy ofDeath In Vegas.

The track ‘Scorpio Rising’, from the [a][/a] album of the same name, features Liam Gallagher on vocals. The album sleevenotes carries a songwriting credit for Status Quo’s Francis Rossi and says the song “contains elements of ‘Pictures Of Matchstick Men'”. The song, a psychedelic number written, Rossi claims, when he was on the toilet, was Status Quo’s first hit in 1967. It went Top Ten in the UK and climbed to Number 12 in the US.

During the height of the Britpop Oasisv Blurwars of 1995, Damon Albarn said that due to their repetition of simple chords and phrases, Oasis should call themselves Oasis-Quo. Noel Gallagher took the slight on the chin and began wearing a T-shirt bearing the legend ‘Quoasis’. The Quo references faded during the last few years… until now.
 
seeformiles said:
Indeed. Quo are much more nuanced than their stereotypes. Much like a significant proportion of Queen fans only own the Greatest Hits. I reckon you could do a compilation of their obscure album tracks and most couldn’t identify it as Queen.
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I think I've done this, though it was billed as a playlist of Queen songs I didn't mind, and they were pretty much all tracks that didn't sound like typical Queen tracks. And one of them was a Bowie song.
 
seeformiles said:
Well these fellas have got tickets
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I was in a pub in Camden a few months ago and a guy with hair exactly like that got talking to me at the bar.

Him: Yeah, I'm on my way to a gig.
Me: Who're you seeing?
Him: Kula Shaker.
Me: Are they still alive??? :eek:

(I really, really hated KS back in the day. And I probably only knew like two of their songs. (Did they have more than two songs...?) :hmm:)
 
ska invita said:
but Morrisey is not a class traitor! (apart from all the living in luxury in hollywood spouting racist nonsense at the top of very hour)
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As far back as 1986.

Moz: "Reggae, for example, is to me the most racist music in the entire world. It's an absolute total glorification of black supremacy... There is a line when defense of one's race becomes an attack on another race and, because of black history and oppression, we realise quite clearly that there has to be a very strong defence. But I think it becomes very extreme sometimes."
"But, ultimately, I don't have very cast iron opinions on black music other than black modern music which I detest. I detest Stevie Wonder. I think Diana Ross is awful. I hate all those records in the Top 40 - Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston. I think they're vile in the extreme. In essence this music doesn't say anything whatsoever."

Interviewer: But it does, it does. What it says can't necessarily be verbalised easily. It doesn't seek to change the world like rock music by speaking grand truths about politics, sex and the human condition. It works at a much more subtle level - at the level of the body and the shared abandon of the dancefloor. It won't change the world, but it's been said it may well change the way you walk through the world.

Moz: "I don't think there's any time anymore to be subtle about anything, you have to get straight to the point. Obviously to get on Top Of The Pops these days, one has to be, by law, black. I think something political has occurred among Michael Hurl and his friends and there has been a hefty pushing of all these black artists and all this discofied nonsense into the Top 40. I think, as a result, that very aware younger groups that speak for now are being gagged."

Interviewer: You seem to be saying that you believe that there is some sort of black pop conspiracy being organised to keep white indie groups down.

Moz: "Yes, I really do."

What a fucking dickhead! And the interviewer is dumb as shit too.
 
Nanker Phelge said:
As far back as 1986.

Moz: "Reggae, for example, is to me the most racist music in the entire world. It's an absolute total glorification of black supremacy... There is a line when defense of one's race becomes an attack on another race and, because of black history and oppression, we realise quite clearly that there has to be a very strong defence. But I think it becomes very extreme sometimes."
"But, ultimately, I don't have very cast iron opinions on black music other than black modern music which I detest. I detest Stevie Wonder. I think Diana Ross is awful. I hate all those records in the Top 40 - Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston. I think they're vile in the extreme. In essence this music doesn't say anything whatsoever."

Interviewer: But it does, it does. What it says can't necessarily be verbalised easily. It doesn't seek to change the world like rock music by speaking grand truths about politics, sex and the human condition. It works at a much more subtle level - at the level of the body and the shared abandon of the dancefloor. It won't change the world, but it's been said it may well change the way you walk through the world.

Moz: "I don't think there's any time anymore to be subtle about anything, you have to get straight to the point. Obviously to get on Top Of The Pops these days, one has to be, by law, black. I think something political has occurred among Michael Hurl and his friends and there has been a hefty pushing of all these black artists and all this discofied nonsense into the Top 40. I think, as a result, that very aware younger groups that speak for now are being gagged."

Interviewer: You seem to be saying that you believe that there is some sort of black pop conspiracy being organised to keep white indie groups down.

Moz: "Yes, I really do."

What a fucking dickhead! And the interviewer is dumb as shit too.
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That's genuinely something a lunatic would say.

Anyway - I remember an interview with Johnny Marr where he said that he hooked up with Moz because his own lyrics were like "rocking down the highway with the wind in our hair". Thing is, Morrissey's stuff is like Nick Cave's, a stupid person's idea of what a smart person sounds like.

Oasis lyrics may be stupid, but they're openly and honestly stupid.
 
During my Smiths years, I didnt even know Morrissey had said that. It wasn't until many years later I knew of that interview and his comments on black music. Just what the fuck?! Shouldn't have been surprised by his far rightward direction :hmm::(:rolleyes:
 
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