Critiquing Oasis

[Idris2002]

I lived next door to Burnage ( half a mile if that from Shifters the record shop they used to go to ) .It was a mixed private and social housing area , with most people in work and hardly a hood.

It would have felt like a utopia compared to Mayo.

(it's all relative of course. there was a lad in my school whose family had moved to Mayo from Longford. He would walk around going "am I. . . am I in heaven?")

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

Matter of opinion, but the big difference is that Oasis never did anything better than their first one, while The Smiths definitely did (not maybe).

Also if you consider hatful of hollow you realise they were always better than that first album & it was obviously a botched job. You can hear those songs being done live or in sessions and they were not done any justice by that studio set up - blame the producer? I mean they did disown it pretty much as it came out iirc.

 

[skyscraper101]

Profiteering on the gigs is already in full effect

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[ska invita]

One from the archives!!

Noel Gallagher: "Fuck Jeremy Corbyn. He's a Communist"

Noel Gallagher has hit out at Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn in a new interview, saying that all politicians are "fucking idiots

www.nme.com

 

[Idris2002]

One from the archives!!

Noel Gallagher: "Fuck Jeremy Corbyn. He's a Communist"

Noel Gallagher has hit out at Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn in a new interview, saying that all politicians are "fucking idiots

www.nme.com

I always felt like Corbyn was a free jazz man, man. Nice.

 

[maomao]

Jeremy Corbyn reveals whether he prefers Oasis or Blur

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has responded to whether he prefers Oasis to Blur - as well as revealing his favourite song of all time.

www.nme.com

Speaking to NME for this week’s cover interview, Corbyn has grilled on his musical tastes – and who is his favourite of the two Britpop rivals:

“I’m going to plump for Oasis"

He'll be down the front at Wembley in his Stone Island coat with a vial of sniff in the pocket.

 

[Thaw]

As a 46 year old man I enjoyed the 1st 2 albums and they've both had a few decent songs since then. Saw them in Cork back in 1996 after finishing school so going to this would feel a bit sad. I'll leave it in the past.

Simon Price has rehased that tweet from 3 years back.

Stop the celebrations – Oasis are the most damaging pop-cultural force in recent British history | Simon Price

Dismal lyrics, plodding tunes and prehistoric political views: why is everyone so happy that the Gallagher brothers are back, asks Simon Price

www.theguardian.com

 

[Idris2002]

Jeremy Corbyn reveals whether he prefers Oasis or Blur

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has responded to whether he prefers Oasis to Blur - as well as revealing his favourite song of all time.

www.nme.com

He'll be down the front at Wembley in his Stone Island coat with a vial of sniff in the pocket.

Surely Corbyn must now resign.

 

[Wilf]

As a 46 year old man I enjoyed the 1st 2 albums and they've both had a few decent songs since then. Saw them in Cork back in 1996 after finishing school so going to this would feel a bit sad. I'll leave it in the past.

Simon Price has rehased that tweet from 3 years back.

Stop the celebrations – Oasis are the most damaging pop-cultural force in recent British history | Simon Price

Dismal lyrics, plodding tunes and prehistoric political views: why is everyone so happy that the Gallagher brothers are back, asks Simon Price

www.theguardian.com

On me phone so I'll just pick on the bit at the end about Noel's guitar playing. Nerd mode: he's a competent, if limited player - something he'd admit to. But there's something weird about the way he holds the pick. He's a better player than me, but he holds it pretty much like a novice would.

I did have something to say about the sludgey guitar tone and chord progression and how that all somehow still works when you add in Liam's drawl.. but wears thin pretty quickly... but kinda... well, it's really about whether that all chimes with the snarl and the front. Oh, hang on, I've said it.

Anyway, the Smiths were an infinitely better band... though Morrissey is an infinitely bigger cunt.

 

[savoloysam]

Got to Give Noel his dues. Some of his comments and interviews are fucking hilarious. I really like the way he tore into his brother on the ferry to Amsterdam over him acting like a football hooligan piss head

 

[Wilf]

Liam seems like a genuinely horrible bloke, something repackaged and used by the music industry to create the myth of Oasis.

 

[Stash]

 

[Saul Goodman]

The Pallbearers would be a fairly witty answer.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

As a 46 year old man I enjoyed the 1st 2 albums and they've both had a few decent songs since then. Saw them in Cork back in 1996 after finishing school so going to this would feel a bit sad. I'll leave it in the past.

Simon Price has rehased that tweet from 3 years back.

Stop the celebrations – Oasis are the most damaging pop-cultural force in recent British history | Simon Price

Dismal lyrics, plodding tunes and prehistoric political views: why is everyone so happy that the Gallagher brothers are back, asks Simon Price

www.theguardian.com

Price also raises the point I made yesterday about Oasis and class "Oasis have been presented as the true voice of the council estates from the very start of their career. But what of their less stereotypical, but equally working class, 1990s contemporaries? Don’t they count? No band was more aware of class politics than Sheffield’s Pulp, for example, but Pulp were arty and sang about outsiderdom and dressed like Oxfam dandies instead of Arndale Centre townies, so they’re considered somehow less “real” than their Mancunian peers. Meanwhile, the Manic Street Preachers are as working class as they come, but refused to conform to lads-lads-lads cliches, played with androgyny and homoeroticism, and wore their (state) education on their leopard print sleeves."

If we want to be charitable, we could accept that Oasis initially represented a part of the culture of their class. But they quickly became a cliche of it. A pastiche (entirely missed by the music press who lapped up the danger and shit politics) that allowed easy access for the small town petit bourgeois who flocked, in their bucket hats and trainers, to the band.

 

[Wilf]

A bit of flute * from Keir Starmer, with Ugly Rumours as the main support. Maybe a gruff 20 minutes from Phil Collins to balance the politics. Vera Lynn to lead the communal singing and Angela Rayner does the intros.

" Genuinely not a double entendre.

 

[Wilf]

Price also raises the point I made yesterday about Oasis and class "Oasis have been presented as the true voice of the council estates from the very start of their career. But what of their less stereotypical, but equally working class, 1990s contemporaries? Don’t they count? No band was more aware of class politics than Sheffield’s Pulp, for example, but Pulp were arty and sang about outsiderdom and dressed like Oxfam dandies instead of Arndale Centre townies, so they’re considered somehow less “real” than their Mancunian peers. Meanwhile, the Manic Street Preachers are as working class as they come, but refused to conform to lads-lads-lads cliches, played with androgyny and homoeroticism, and wore their (state) education on their leopard print sleeves."

If we want to be charitable, we could accept that Oasis initially represented a part of the culture of their class. But they quickly became a cliche of it. A pastiche (entirely missed by the music press who lapped up the danger and shit politics) that allowed easy access for the small town petit bourgeois who flocked, in their bucket hats and trainers, to the band.

I think it's telling that Noel broke with Labour when Corbyn introduced plans to increase taxes on the rich.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I think it's fair to say that someone like Jarvis Cocker would have the wit to recognise that his position as rich rock star is very different from his background growing up in a not particularly flash bit of Sheffield. With Oasis for as long as most people have known about them they've been 'private jet and buckets of cocaine' wealthy. Not that that erases how someone has grown up but it does change how they think now doesn't it, and I don't imagine they've spent a lot of time considering it.

 

[BigMoaner]

Class and them has always been talked about. No real discussions about cold play and the middle class, or Radiohead. They didn’t make a big thing of it, others did.

 

[BigMoaner]

Like most rich folk, they are no doubt incredibly tiresome. But I still love some might say and bet it would still be great live.

 

[ska invita]

"Oasis have been presented as the true voice of the council estates from the very start of their career. But what of their less stereotypical, but equally working class, 1990s contemporaries? Don’t they count?

Sounds like a problem with the press rather than anyone else

 

[ska invita]

Are the Rolling Stones class traitors?

 

[Dr. Furface]

Class and them has always been talked about. No real discussions about cold play and the middle class, or Radiohead. They didn’t make a big thing of it, others did.

Maybe not but they’ve always made a big thing of being hardcore Man City fans (and I don’t doubt they are, but it’s still a pose) and yet, as Tony Wilson once said about The Beatles, as soon as they’d made it they couldn’t wait to fuck off to London.

Which may have made good business sense, but I think it shows you what they were all about. And it’s amusing, to say the least, that that man of the people Liam lives in Highgate, which admittedly is a lovely place to live if you’ve got the dough.

But hey, you’ve got to be yourself, you can’t be no one else, eh?

 

[Idris2002]

Maybe not but they’ve always made a big thing of being hardcore Man City fans (and I don’t doubt they are, but it’s still a pose) and yet, as Tony Wilson once said about The Beatles, as soon as they’d made it they couldn’t wait to fuck off to London.

Which may have made good business sense, but I think it shows you what they were all about. And it’s amusing, to say the least, that that man of the people Liam lives in Highgate, which admittedly is a lovely place to live if you’ve got the dough.

But hey, you’ve got to be yourself, you can’t be no one else, eh?

Who was the banned returner on here who called them the blaggers who pulled off the ultimate blag?

 

[Wilf]

Are the Rolling Stones class traitors?

To which class?

 

[Nanker Phelge]

I dunno what's wrong about leaving the place where you grew up poor and miserable should you get the chance to.

 

[ska invita]

And it’s amusing, to say the least, that that man of the people Liam lives in Highgate, which admittedly is a lovely place to live if you’ve got the dough.

But hey, you’ve got to be yourself, you can’t be no one else, eh?

Jarvis Cocker moved to Paris with his fashionista wife Camille Bidault-Waddington

 

[Petcha]

Jarvis also has a very lovely house in a very lovely part of London. But seriously, who fucking cares? He's good at his job. So are the Gallaghers. I don't care about anything else.

 

[Dr. Furface]

I dunno what's wrong about leaving the place where you grew up poor and miserable should you get the chance to.

Me either, I did too. Just down the road from Liam, as it happens. Nothing wrong with it at all.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Guy Garvey's adoption of Brixton offends me though. Cunt lives in Dulwich.

 

[Dr. Furface]

Jarvis Cocker moved to Paris with his fashionista wife Camille Bidault-Waddington

And your point is?