Crime Cutters?
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KeyboardJockey
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More police - A police house in every ward or parish
Tackling the causes poverty, bad parenting and substance abuse
Youth facilities
Rebuild our community centres
Get people out of their houses and becoming a community.
Rebuild the asylums and properly fund psych community care
Better support for victims of crime
A streamliined anti social behaviour policy ie tough sentences and public sentences with a clear understanding of what WILL happen if you offend.
Reduce the time from offence to sentence
Reduce the steps between first caution and prison
Give guidance / rehab to the offender at time of first caution
Remove the ban on naming juveniles over 12
Allow public naming and shaming of those who offend on second caution posters website local paper -these last two on the grounds a community that may be made up of diverse bits and interaction may be less than optimal should know their villains.
A communally visible punishment for those who breach second caution which can be community service in uniform or some other community shaming punishment.
Prison and rehab - supermax prison (that may or may not glow in the dark
)for the violent or those who refuse rehab programmes.
Tackling the causes poverty, bad parenting and substance abuse
Youth facilities
Rebuild our community centres
Get people out of their houses and becoming a community.
Rebuild the asylums and properly fund psych community care
Better support for victims of crime
A streamliined anti social behaviour policy ie tough sentences and public sentences with a clear understanding of what WILL happen if you offend.
Reduce the time from offence to sentence
Reduce the steps between first caution and prison
Give guidance / rehab to the offender at time of first caution
Remove the ban on naming juveniles over 12
Allow public naming and shaming of those who offend on second caution posters website local paper -these last two on the grounds a community that may be made up of diverse bits and interaction may be less than optimal should know their villains.
A communally visible punishment for those who breach second caution which can be community service in uniform or some other community shaming punishment.
Prison and rehab - supermax prison (that may or may not glow in the dark
)for the violent or those who refuse rehab programmes.Transportation - by far the most succesful penal policy this country has ever had.
East Falkland becomes 'Respect island' where all the twats can disrespect and shoot each other to their hearts content, West Falkland become 'Nonce Island' where the sex offenders can spend their days fiddling with each other.
East Falkland becomes 'Respect island' where all the twats can disrespect and shoot each other to their hearts content, West Falkland become 'Nonce Island' where the sex offenders can spend their days fiddling with each other.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Belushi said:
Aha!! So thats why Thatcher sent the Task Force. To secure a future prison camp for nonces and gangtas
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KeyboardJockey said:Aha!! So thats why Thatcher sent the Task Force. To secure a future prison camp for nonces and gangtas
Thatcher sent the task force to deal with those dictators in Argentina, whilst at the same time supporting one residing in Chile.
Now that's criminal shurely?
KeyboardJockey
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MC5 said:Thatcher sent the task force to deal with those dictators in Argentina, whilst at the same time supporting one residing in Chile.
Now that's criminal shurely?
Yup too right. The question is who would want her knowing how she fucked up this country if we transported her?
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
MC5 said:Are you pissed?
No just hate Thatcher.
What i SHOULD have said was:
Would any other nation want her knowing how much she fucked over Britain.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
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likesfish
You can't park here sir
what he said
increase police numbers so that the numbers reflect the reality police numbers have gone up but a lot of coppers are now doing specialist stuff so are not available for the boring little johnny is being a git calls.
more prisons more and better probation officers go into jail have a rehab plan for when you get out. pointless jailing an addict then shoving them out 6 months later penniless and homeless
increase police numbers so that the numbers reflect the reality police numbers have gone up but a lot of coppers are now doing specialist stuff so are not available for the boring little johnny is being a git calls.
more prisons more and better probation officers go into jail have a rehab plan for when you get out. pointless jailing an addict then shoving them out 6 months later penniless and homeless
mk12 said:
I think your 100% correct on that.
Being tough on either would entail too much discomfort. Re-distribution of Wealth and Power is Dangerous Difficult and Unpopular with Powerful people on the right. And being tougher on Anti Social Crime would also create difficulties for New Labour with another set of powerful people.
Most people i believe want a government that is " tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime"
But under Blair it was more a useful election slogan than a reality.
I don't think you are specific enough with some of this?
Tougher Punishments? What exactly? And for what crimes?
What Choices?
I think that those more detailed questions need a seperate thread. Just trying to get some broad views on this one really.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
I think that there is scope for using existing legislation to tackle the crimes that are really bothering people by putting resources into enforcement.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Make drugs available taxed and the tax ring fenced to provide treatmeant
for casualties .
Price even with tax should undercut dealers.Registered addicts could get drugs as part of a treatmeant regime .I dont know how you could do this and not encourage use but I'm sure it could be .
Get the Cops to arrest and put criminals away and not doing paperwork.
for casualties .
Price even with tax should undercut dealers.Registered addicts could get drugs as part of a treatmeant regime .I dont know how you could do this and not encourage use but I'm sure it could be .
Get the Cops to arrest and put criminals away and not doing paperwork.
Not sure that i think all drugs should be legalised. I suppose your right about undercutting delaers though...But who would be doing the undercutting Nestle and Unilever?
Please list the paperwork you think they should stop doing. What don't you want recorded? What don't you want them to be accountable for?
Meltingpot
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When my mum's shop was burgled in 1994 and our cashbox nicked (I was looking after it at the time ), the police came to take a statement from me and said when they were about to leave, "We've got to chop down a tree now."
I don't know the answer, but I do know that the police used to manage without having to do all this, say back in the days of Regan and Carter on TV (mid-70s).
), the police came to take a statement from me and said when they were about to leave, "We've got to chop down a tree now."I don't know the answer, but I do know that the police used to manage without having to do all this, say back in the days of Regan and Carter on TV (mid-70s).
I think thats right. How many times do you see police used to tackle fare dodging? Should that really be more of a priority in London than all of the under 20s getting stabbed or shot?
I think that the Police and Courts should reflect what most people want. But too often they just reflect the interests of the have lots.
That's because there was loads less accountability - less questioning of evidence, less questioning of police officers accounts, less rules about continuity of property seized, less complexity in scene examination and scientific examination, no rules about disclosure, no PACE governing how prisoners are detained, no requirement to record stop and searches, no CPS (for whom the entire story has to be converted into writing, rather than the officer prosecuting their own case or having it done by a collegaue who could work from arrest notes only), less requirement to "prove" performance, less requirement to demonstrate 110% accuracy in crime classification, less obligation to account for every penny spent, less requirement to write reports every time significant force is used, less thorough investigation of complaints, no IPCC asking difficult questions after every serious complaint and trawling through everything connected with it (regardless of relevance), less requirement to record the detailed response to every call received, no requirement to monitor response times .... continues ad infinitum
You CANNOT have accountability without BUREAUCRACY. Fact. The sooner policiticans and fuckit senior officer realise that and stop launching new "Wars on Bureaucracy" (which usually lead to more as they require more accountability for every decision to write something down ...
) the better.I don't think we need less operational accountability. We DO need a whole lot less administrative accountability (just like the NHS does). But politically it just ain't going to happen any time soon.
That statement, though superficially attractive, is overly simplistic. Taken to it's logical conclusion, there would be no policing activity about anything except murder and rape, as there are always lines of enquiry in such cases which could be better pursued now, rather than when enquiry team get round to them.
Even if you didn't take it that far, what are you suggesting? That officers patrol around and only intervene in something that is directly related to stabbing and shooting? How will they know that before they interveneanyway? And what do they do when they get it wrong and find they have stopped an armed robber? Apologise and let them go?
Differential allocation of resources to different priority issues is the only practicable solution. It is done all the time and I happen to know that the MPS has diverted significant additional resources from other priorities to the problem of youth violence. But there WILL continue to be policing of everything else.
And anyway do you REALLY think that crime happens in neat little packages - that the fare dodgers are never the knife carriers and murderers ... because if you do you'd be very, very wrong. Policing things like fare dodging has a significant (but unquantifiable) impact on more serious crime. High visibility activity of any sort does ... just watch the brake lights when a police vehicle is seen with a stationary car on the hard shoulder even though 9 out of 10 times it is just helping with a breakdown!
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