Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Yeah, they definitely knew this day would come and that's when they decided to "hand the reins over to the schools/hospital trusts/other public buildings to run themselves." They're weasels, aren't they?
Crappy concrete crisis
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May Kasahara
take me to the feeling
AP and SEMH kids don't have any visible disabilities or needs, so they don't count. We can just stick them anywhere!Oh but you can. My PRU is in a 130 year old primary school. We moved there in 2016. Mould on every wall, bits falling off everywhere, a whole building partially closed for asbestos. Told we'd be there 2 years maximum.
We're still there.
But they're just traumatised kids so
Or at least that's the impression I've gained after nearly ten years in special ed, where every SEMH and AP school we've taken on has been in the shittest, least suitable buildings you've ever seen
May Kasahara
take me to the feeling
Not in the trust I work for. An unbelievable amount of time, effort and money goes into trying to improve our estate, often in the face of barriers at both local and national government level.
This is reasonable, especially if you didn’t know it would have a 30 year shelf life when your bought it. Not planning to replace it despite decades of notice is gross incompetence.
There is another decade of this kind of stuff coming to light.
Indeliblelink
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Here's the opening section from the DfE's guidance.
Sounds like the recent collapses of roofs that looked in good condition were the trigger. Also sounds like they knew there was a problem looming 4 or 5 years ago.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Lots of schools still have portakabin classrooms with a ten-year lifespan that were put in in the 80's or 90's. If there's something there for you to teach a class in, then it's not a crisis and you won't get funding for an upgrade.
Local authority schools are in a particularly shit state. Lots of academies are recent rebuilds, usually one single building designed by someone with no idea of the reality of a thousand kids moving from one place to another all at once.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
That's why I said most kids - obviously there will be a subset who would be more affected by needing to be moved, or indeed can't realistically move due to special needs issues.
Sorry if you feel corrected, but its used as a way of doing to children, when they actually have no power to do anything but to put up with. Doesn't mean someone's resilient because they're forced to comply and not speak up.
Most kids need stability and reliable environments and relationships.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
That's not true though I see that's what the media reports are saying. From what I can see, they might be referring to secondary? I know at least one primary in Soton that's not opening - and getting loads of shit on fb for it. I understand why but school staff are going to get a whole load of shit for this.
School buildings are a fucking disgrace. At my place, the main assembly hall is riddled with asbestos. A couple of years ago, it was decided that it's safer/cheaper to leave it there rather than try and remove it. The whole roof was sealed and nobody's mentioned it since. Parents were resolutely left out of the loop. Our new building (completed 4 years ago) has got crumbling concrete (due to damp), mould, leaks and dodgy electrics. Our place is pretty good compared to others in the city which have got buildings that are too dangerous to teach in so they're doubling up classes, teaching in halls/corridors etc.
polly
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My kids' school is affected and were told on 30 August! After a six week fucking break, and them having known about this since at least 2018 when a Kent school built with RAAC collapsed. We have been told they will be doing mostly remote learning for all years except 7 and 11. My younger child was due to start y7 on Tuesday but that's been delayed.
Of course the government has made it all worse by being opaque about who will have to fund any costs related to the closures. First saying they would cover capital costs only but now apparently getting their shit together a bit, but afaik it's still not clear whether they will fund transport to other schools.
Yes, my older child's autistic friend is in pieces over this. The anxiety of knowing the building is and has been unsafe, the remote learning which she can't bear (school is for learning, home is for relaxing) and the disruption to her routine. And my children will be really upset if they have to join another school.
Of course the government has made it all worse by being opaque about who will have to fund any costs related to the closures. First saying they would cover capital costs only but now apparently getting their shit together a bit, but afaik it's still not clear whether they will fund transport to other schools.
Yes, my older child's autistic friend is in pieces over this. The anxiety of knowing the building is and has been unsafe, the remote learning which she can't bear (school is for learning, home is for relaxing) and the disruption to her routine. And my children will be really upset if they have to join another school.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yeah I've noticed morale among teachers has been a bit too high lately so let's fling some shit at them on the internet for something that clearly wasn't their decision. That'll teach them to work themselves half to death providing free childcare and education.
polly
Well-Known Member
I've just had a look at our school's facebook page and it's overwhelmingly supportive of the school and critical of the government, fwiw. And they're mostly total idiots usually.
Marina Hyde had a good piece touching on this yesterday…
www.theguardian.com
For me, the lowest point came after the appointment of the widely respected Kevan Collins as educational recovery tsar, brought in supposedly to deal with the ravages of disrupted schooling on a generation of children. Collins determined it would cost £15bn to fund pandemic catch-up. Rishi Sunak, as chancellor, offered £1.4bn.
So a presentation was prepared, and Sunak and others in Downing Street were shown how the failure to invest £15bn in the future of this blighted cohort of children would end up costing more than £160bn down the line in welfare and criminal justice. Sunak still refused to pay any more than £1.4bn (bear in mind that he spent £840m helping along a second wave of Covid with his “eat out to help out” scheme). Collins resigned in despair.
I have urgent safety concerns for Rishi Sunak’s government. Could we not shut it down for a bit? | Marina Hyde
School buildings closed at the 11th hour, banned knives banned again and a new job for Shapps? Clearly it’s time for an intervention, says Guardian columnist Marina Hyde
For me, the lowest point came after the appointment of the widely respected Kevan Collins as educational recovery tsar, brought in supposedly to deal with the ravages of disrupted schooling on a generation of children. Collins determined it would cost £15bn to fund pandemic catch-up. Rishi Sunak, as chancellor, offered £1.4bn.
So a presentation was prepared, and Sunak and others in Downing Street were shown how the failure to invest £15bn in the future of this blighted cohort of children would end up costing more than £160bn down the line in welfare and criminal justice. Sunak still refused to pay any more than £1.4bn (bear in mind that he spent £840m helping along a second wave of Covid with his “eat out to help out” scheme). Collins resigned in despair.
Hollis
bloody furious
I dunno. I think all schools have condition surveys done periodically and funding is controlled by ESFA.
One problem with school facilities is that the management is outsourced to shitty companies who take the piss. They notoriously bid low and then screw the schools for everything "outside contact". The school/academy then has to employ it's own specialist staff to manage them. And of course a single/small academy trust can't afford to do that. So they get shafted.
smmudge
i know the smudge is true
Tbf though that is absolutely normal and the best way of dealing with it.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Feckless parents? Care to explain?
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
There appears to be a lot of them right now
polly
Well-Known Member
More unbelievable cuntery from this government:
www.theguardian.com
LAs and schools are already on their knees. Where the fuck do they think they will find the cash for this?
Jeremy Hunt under fire after Treasury says no new cash to fix Raac in schools
Chancellor had pledged to ‘spend what ever it takes’ on concrete crisis but repair costs will come from existing education budget
LAs and schools are already on their knees. Where the fuck do they think they will find the cash for this?
polly
Well-Known Member
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Just heard that some nuclear power stations were built using this stuff. Or was that a dream?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Former Sir Humphrey from the DfE explaining how they did a comprehensive survey of the school estate and requested that the number of schools rebuilt each year be doubled to 200, which was still roughly half what was truly needed. Sunak as chancellor instead cut the rebuilding program in half, to 50 schools a year.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Local authorities are getting fined left right and centre for not providing adequate support for SEND students with EHCP's. Which is madness, obviously if more places in specialist provision are needed that will have to be funded. Many new specialist schools will need to be built.
Then there's the cost of agency staff needed for teaching cover, thanks to the ongoing teacher recruitment and retention crisis which is ultimately a product of lack of funding for education.
Everywhere you look they're pinching pennies that end up costing pounds. I doubt any other public service is any different.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Yep that's the thick short-sighted policy: just hope that things don't collapse.
polly
Well-Known Member
I work for an LA and can confirm it's no different there. Kicking the can down the road, usually, safe in the knowledge it will be someone else's political storm while the people making these decisions will be safe from any fallout at all. It's also ideological, of course. Maybe especially so with disabled kids. All feels so bleak, with Labour nodding along from the sidelines.
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