bimble
floofy
What does that mean in this context centralised action?
Their government just did it didn’t they? Decided to tell the energy companies 4% that’s it and state pays the difference. They did it back in January.
Cost of living- what’s going to happen?
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Their government just did it didn’t they? Decided to tell the energy companies 4% that’s it and state pays the difference. They did it back in January.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Four?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
The poll tax riots, grant you. That was a flash point and many many got behind those and other actions.
I wonder if there's a big Tory manual of don't do X after what happened in [date]
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Aren't the gas and electric now going up another 70% in winter now and 50% on top of that in the new year? I saw Martin Lewis freaking out about it. It's going to be huge for me, and I am well aware that I am in a far better position than most.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Are the French utilities companies nationalised?
bimble
floofy
No. ETA oh are they ? Idk.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Exactly. The French aren't as afraid to take centralised government action. Like telling the energy companies to fuck off. And of course EDF (like RWE) are still state owned...
JimW
支那暗杀团
State owned or large stake AFAIK
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
EDF is. What kind of mad country would privatise its Electricity generation, grid and markets...
bimble
floofy
They’re just about to buy it all out, says here.
www.theguardian.com
France to pay nearly €10bn to fully nationalise EDF
Government seeks to shore up domestic energy supplies amid European crisis
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
Our grid isn’t even properly joined up, such a shit show.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
EDF France is owned by electricitie de France (sp) which is 85% owned by the French government?
Why do you say "no"
bimble
floofy
Because I was 85% wrong!
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
The UK could still tell the UK utilities companies to sort it out or threat of nationalisation.
Cloo
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I honestly don't know... I think unaffordability might actually be the one thing that could push the British people to actually rise up. A mass non-payment of energy bills seems not impossible, in the very least. Even if for no other reason that so many people will simply not be able to pay it, full stop.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Need the students to get angry, & at present they’re not. We need that angry young blood to kick off.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
I thought it was the other way around, that it was when things had been getting better and then started getting worse? What's called the J-curve model, although it's actually more like an upside-down J? That's what James Davies said anyway.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Why would the Tories allow an uprising when they can just borrow more cash and hand it out, which they will do just enough to avoid unrest.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
things are spiralling now but for a lot of people things were looking up 12 months ago. So everyone sort of had hope for a better a future that's been ripped away
ska invita
back on the other side
I dont think this is a revolutionary moment, i think there is a big chance of public disorder though
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Have a look if there's people doing the Don't Pay stuff near them Edie. They'll be more and more people both doing the don't pay, and loads doing it out of necessity. And they're running workshops about how to deal with not being able or willing to pay, including debt advice.
bimble
floofy
Thats what's happening isn't it. £66 a month or something, in tokens, for those who might otherwise die or worse become very disorderly. Charities concerned as details of £400 energy bill support for Britain revealed
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
There's historical precedence for things kicking off post-pandemic iirc
bimble
floofy
Interesting that is. Not sure we meet the criteria of an objective prolonged social & economic improvement followed by a short sharp decline though. So he’d probably say we’re not ripe.
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
Don't worry.. Liz Truss is promising tax cuts 
Just what's needed
Just what's needed
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no one expects a revolutionary moment
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
don't know how much larger an event you think will do it than many thousands of people being put in peril of dying from hypothermia
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