moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Yeah i got a leaflet from zara sultana through my door about EIE (she's my local mp). It doesn't mention labour at all but does mention unite at the bottom. Can't imagine Starmer being happy
Cost of Living Crisis: Enough is Enough Campaign
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Yeah i got a leaflet from zara sultana through my door about EIE (she's my local mp). It doesn't mention labour at all but does mention unite at the bottom. Can't imagine Starmer being happy
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
if anything shows the impact and cut through of EiE it’s the rise of smears and attacks like this (yeah, I know it’s Twitter) by Labour centrists. A clear attempt to sow division and rake up old arguments and disagreements. I don’t know who the poster is but she seems a typical Twitter wanker:
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Who is she?
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Don't really know but she's been mentioned in other threads as a starmer supporter. Think she just someone that posts on twitter/tic tok with a lot of followers. Someone may know more.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
I thought it was on this thread but turns out it was the Starmer one that has a comprehensive overview of everything you need to know about her:
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Huh, you may be right there - I could've sworn it was official by now, but looks like they're still not listed:
About Enough is Enough
About the Enough is Enough campaign and our five demands to tackle the crisis.
wesayenough.co.uk
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
That makes sense, thanks.Huh, you may be right there - I could've sworn it was official by now, but looks like they're still not listed:
Am assuming that it's just a matter of whatever bodies that need to approve it not having met yet rather than any substantial differences, though.About Enough is Enough
About the Enough is Enough campaign and our five demands to tackle the crisis.
BristolEcho
Well-Known Member
Fuck them to be honest.
I worked for ten years in the private health and social care sector which was largely neglected and ignored by traditional Unions and the Labour party. I fully support the current strikes and will continue to do so, but the ineffectiveness of these organisations allowed us to get to this point.
I've bit my tongue and held off being critical so far as some of the noise has been good, but they give people like Burnham a platform and undermine other groups actions so this tells me everything I need to know.
If things get heated and people fight back, as they did last year in Bristol, then I have no doubt they'll fall in line with their condemnation of people that don't follow their narrative.
I know I'd rather put my efforts into Don't pay. It all feels very familiar.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Care to explain this?
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
At this stage EiE seems like a means of coordinating support for strikes by a number of the more 'militant' unions, and providing a platform for their leading figures (and allies) to fill the void left by the so-called Opposition.
It doesn't seem like a means of resisting energy prices or the cost of living more generally.
It doesn't seem like a means of resisting energy prices or the cost of living more generally.
Is it true that Lynch and Dempsey are getting behind Andy Burnham I wonder?
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Dempsey's an idiot anyway. Wanted a hard no deal brexit.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I keep wanting this not to be true, but...
I want to see what the mood music is in terms of the way the community groups are set up, whether in fact they are about community organising or top down versions of the national organisation. If it is going to be about community organising, that doesn't just happen and, amongst other things, there needs to be humility and respect about groups already working in the area. Not really getting a sense of that yet.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Dempsey gives good talk on strikes etc. but his politics beyond that are, to put it mildly, not ideal.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
There are others we can listen to for strikes. It does amuse me to see all the centrists lionise Eddie, now taht he's on their favourite tv shows, while slamming no deal brexiteers
Threshers_Flail
Well-Known Member
Yep that's my thoughts/fears so far. Obvs it's early days and I'm eager to see what form the community organising takes but fear EiE could dominate left spaces to the detriment to already established/nascent groups at a local level. Acorn being involved is also a fear of mine as they're quite expansionist imho, setting up groups in places where there were already active tenants unions.
Don't want to criticise when it's still early days but if this just becomes a top down respectable movement then it could be a big missed opportunity.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Tricky one this - on one hand, I think this trend of digging up people's dodgy old posts as a means of discrediting them is generally one I'm not keen on, it all feels a bit like "playing the person not the ball" and not even the person as they are now but as they were however many years ago. On the other hand, 2019 wasn't even that long ago and she was presumably an adult by then, or as much of an adult as she is now, how long has she even been a centrist for?
I mean, I don't think it's that controversial to say that for the last twenty/thirty/forty years British unions have generally not been fighting to win, doing a great job of organising new industries, etc. I suppose you could say that the RMT and CWU are among the honourable exceptions to this, and that it's not really either of their jobs to organise the health and social care sector or whatever, but on the other hand, if the CWU had managed to organise at call centers and the likes of Hermes, DHL, Yodel and so on as well as they've organised at Royal Mail, we'd be in a bit of a different situation today.
In what sense? If it involves Dempsey getting behind Burnham and crouching down and then Lynch pushing him I'm all for it. If it's in terms of internal Labour stuff, then given that the RMT aren't affiliated and don't seem particularly likely to affiliate now, I'd say it sounds unlikely.
Yeah, for what it's worth elsewhere on the internet I got a vaguely hostile-sounding message the other day asking what I thought about Dempsey, although it then turned out the person who sent me it was getting Dempsey and Embery mixed up. In retrospect, wish I'd made it more explicitly clear that my support of the rail strikes has nothing to do with Dempsey, who is just one person out of the 50,000 or so rail workers taking action (or not even one of them if he's a fulltimer now, but you know what I mean).
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
I sort of agree with this but then I'm circling back around to similar views I had upthead when chatting about the EiE campaign twitter, which is that she's clearly signifying she's playing by a particular rulebook with how she's framed her personal brand on her twitter account and that rulebook says it's ok to cancel someone based on old tweets.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Yeah, can see that side of it as well - just looked up when the Dempsey speech she's complaining about was from and think that must be 2019 as well. I remember seeing someone say about the FBI raid on Trump "the FBI is not a good institution and it cannot do good things, but it can do funny things", suppose this might fall into a similiar category.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
If only the people who had ideal politics were in a position to lead strikes conundrum.
I think if you're in the middle of a massive rant calling some dude a racist because of something dug up about him from few years ago, having your own racism (and more) from a couple of years ago dug up is fair game actually.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
I mean, at the risk of repeating myself, surely the point is that the focus on Lynch and Dempsey is a liberal distraction/misunderstanding (perhaps less so with EiE than with the RMT, but if so then that's a weakness on EiE's part)? Like, as far as I'm concerned, the most relevant leaders of the strike are the committee of my local RMT branch, cos they're the ones who are organising the pickets and so on where I live, and they're the ones that I, and rail strikers in my area, directly interact with?
I still think that the noblest and most ethical course of action might be to take the high road and focus on why centrist tankie is being a dick in 2022 rather than why she was a dick in 2019 with racist/conspiracist ideas that she can now disavow, but not that fussed about it really, I'm not about to start the society for ethical treatment of annoying twitter centrists or anything.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Yup. Important, therefore, that strikes are led more by collective action than charismatic leaders.
there isn't a high road on twitter, that's one of the issues - no matter how ethical you personally might be, the medium naturally lends itself to owns and witch hunts, and there's always going to be a crowd ready with the pitchforks for whatever transgressions there are available,
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Absolutely , rank and file control with leaders fully accountable to the membership .
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