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[wemakeyousoundb]

I think most people here feel that this country has been ridiculously slack in terms of using border controls but what Australia is doing now seems so extreme I’m surprised it’s even legal ?

Covid crisis: Australians trying to return home from India face up to $66,000 fine or five years’ jail

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg defends Coalition’s move as ‘drastic’ but needed

www.theguardian.com

yes was reading thsi earlier, a bit over extreme considering anyone returning has to pay for their quarantine.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Just learned there were 44 per million cases of Portal vein thrombosis (PVT Portal vein thrombosis - Wikipedia) with the Pfizer vaccine in the USA.
Isn't this newsworthy? Or did I just miss it?
The J&J was suspended with a 1 per 1.8 million of the clotting thing.

When you are dealing with such minute numbers, it is difficult to separate natural occurrences from vaccine induced.

 

[glitch hiker]

America, the stupid:

 

[MJ100]

The way Australia have treated their own citizens abroad this past year has been nothing short of shameful. I guess they completely forgot that their first duty as a national government is to their own citizens, wherever they might be in the world. Still fine for Tom Hanks and American sports teams to visit the country freely though, as well as their own cricketers to go abroad to play in the IPL, but fuck you if you're an Aussie who wants to go home, we're just abandoning you to your fate.

 

[weltweit]

The way Australia have treated their own citizens abroad this past year has been nothing short of shameful. I guess they completely forgot that their first duty as a national government is to their own citizens, wherever they might be in the world. Still fine for Tom Hanks and American sports teams to visit the country freely though, as well as their own cricketers to go abroad to play in the IPL, but fuck you if you're an Aussie who wants to go home, we're just abandoning you to your fate.

Can't you fly in and go into quarrantine?

 

[bimble]

Can't you fly in and go into quarrantine?

No. If you are an Australian in India you cant go home, at all, if you try you risk a prison sentence.
Legal challenge incoming it seems: Australia’s ban on travellers returning from India due to Covid crisis may be unlawful

 

[bimble]

This is pretty good, an attempt to grapple with the underreporting in India, the journalist seems to have phoned around speaking to crematorium managers asking them what its like compared to normal

Australia’s ban on travellers returning from India due to Covid crisis may be unlawful

Lawyers and academics say ban an ‘extraordinary precedent’ that could be open to multiple challenges

www.theguardian.com

 

[MJ100]

Can't you fly in and go into quarrantine?

Not from India since they introduced that rule a couple of days ago. They have hotel quarantine for incoming passengers but they have low numbers that they allow in each week, while tens of thousands of their own citizens are still stuck abroad without any repatriation flights from the air force and without sufficient passenger capacity or money to come home on commercial flights. Aussies abroad have been let down badly by their government over the last year.

Australians stuck overseas 'abandoned' by their own country

Australians in India are the latest group to feel abandoned by their government amid virus fears.

www.bbc.co.uk

Here's a decent BBC article that explains it in more detail (and has a nice wall of celebrity faces who they've allowed in while ignoring their own citizens).

 

[cupid_stunt]

This is pretty good, an attempt to grapple with the underreporting in India, the journalist seems to have phoned around speaking to crematorium managers asking them what its like compared to normal

Australia’s ban on travellers returning from India due to Covid crisis may be unlawful

Lawyers and academics say ban an ‘extraordinary precedent’ that could be open to multiple challenges

www.theguardian.com

I assume this is the link you meant to link?

According to official statistics, Muzaffarnagar had just 10 Covid deaths over four days in late April. However, Ajay Kumar Agarwal, president of Muzaffarnagar’s city crematorium, said this was not even close to the scale of bodies he was handling.

“In normal times, we were cremating three bodies a day, but in the past 10 days it has increased,” he said. “One day it was 18, another day it was 20, then 22, and one day 25. In the past 10 days, we haven’t had any less than 12 bodies a day– 90% of them corona deaths.”

With only seven pyres in Muzaffarnagar’s city crematorium, Agarwal said they were so overwhelmed they were having to cremate the bodies on open ground, and send some to another crematorium 20 miles away. “The situation here is pathetic,” he said,

Taking the figures for those 4 days, 85 minus the 12 they would expect, leaves 73 covid deaths rather than the official figure of 10.

‘We’re burning pyres all day’: India accused of undercounting deaths

Fears of cover-up as crematoriums record twice the number of Covid fatalities as official death toll

www.theguardian.com

 

[bimble]

cupid_stunt oops yes.

 

[bimble]

In normal times, poor families sometimes have to take out loans at terrible rates of interest, to afford a funeral, not just the ritual but the actual wood for the pyre is really expensive, even in normal times. Can you imagine how that is now, the cost of wood must be through the roof. Very minor sounding but will be long term significantly crippling for poorest families.

eta yup. Delhi: Pushed to the limit, crematoria staring at acute wood shortage | Delhi News - Times of India

 

[LDC]

Just learned there were 44 per million cases of Portal vein thrombosis (PVT Portal vein thrombosis - Wikipedia) with the Pfizer vaccine in the USA.
Isn't this newsworthy? Or did I just miss it?
The J&J was suspended with a 1 per 1.8 million of the clotting thing.

Have you got a reliable source for that Sunray ?

 

[glitch hiker]

The way Australia have treated their own citizens abroad this past year has been nothing short of shameful. I guess they completely forgot that their first duty as a national government is to their own citizens, wherever they might be in the world. Still fine for Tom Hanks and American sports teams to visit the country freely though, as well as their own cricketers to go abroad to play in the IPL, but fuck you if you're an Aussie who wants to go home, we're just abandoning you to your fate.

I think most people forget that it isn't

 

[Buddy Bradley]

Just learned there were 44 per million cases of Portal vein thrombosis (PVT Portal vein thrombosis - Wikipedia) with the Pfizer vaccine in the USA.
Isn't this newsworthy? Or did I just miss it?

There is literally no mention of this on the internet. Did you learn it from Facebook?

 

[cupid_stunt]

There is literally no mention of this on the internet. Did you learn it from Facebook?

There is this tweet -



I wouldn't trust the source of the tweet, but they are claiming that their source is a Oxford University study, but I can't find that study.

 

[LDC]

There is this tweet -



I wouldn't trust the source of the tweet, but they are claiming that their source is a Oxford University study, but I can't find that study.

The only place I can find it is Sputnik and RT. Surprise, surprise. People should not be posting claims like that without a reliable source imo.

 

[magneze]

It's in a later tweet COVID-19 and cerebral venous thrombosis: a retrospective cohort study of 513,284 confirmed COVID-19 cases

 

[fishfinger]

There is this tweet -



I wouldn't trust the source of the tweet, but they are claiming that their source is a Oxford University study, but I can't find that study.

I found this, which references an unpublished and non-peer reviewed study:

expert reaction to preprint looking at incidence of rare cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT) following COVID-19 infection compared to incidence after vaccination or influenza | Science Media Centre

I'm too dumb to understand it.

 

[platinumsage]

It's in a later tweet COVID-19 and cerebral venous thrombosis: a retrospective cohort study of 513,284 confirmed COVID-19 cases

Tnis is why you shouldn’t trust Russian government twitter propaganda:

 

[magneze]

Tnis is why you shouldn’t trust Russian government twitter propaganda:

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I don't, just found the link

 

[Sasaferrato]

I assume this is the link you meant to link?



Taking the figures for those 4 days, 85 minus the 12 they would expect, leaves 73 covid deaths rather than the official figure of 10.

‘We’re burning pyres all day’: India accused of undercounting deaths

Fears of cover-up as crematoriums record twice the number of Covid fatalities as official death toll

www.theguardian.com

Modi is a dangerous man. His hubris is killing people.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Cases have exploded in Nepal now, cases up over 4,500 daily average, from just 136 a month ago, over 7,000 yesterday and nearly 40 per cent of people tested returned a positive result.

The seven-day average of new daily cases in Nepal rose to 4,544 on May 1 — up from just 136 at the start of April.

The surge in infections last week prompted the government to impose new lockdowns in major cities and towns, restricting the movement of people and vehicles and shuttering markets, offices and schools. Tens of thousands of people rushed out of Kathmandu to avoid the 15-day shutdown that began on Thursday.

On Sunday, the Himalayan nation recorded 7,137 new cases, a record high. Nearly 40 per cent of people tested returned a positive result, data from the ministry showed.

Indian double-mutant COVID strain found in neighbouring Nepal as cases explode

Coronavirus cases in Nepal reach a new high as tens of thousands of Nepalese migrant workers in India fearing the collapse of the health system there return home across the 1,800-kilometre open border.

www.abc.net.au

 

[cupid_stunt]

I've seen the odd report over the last few months, but I am surprised there hasn't been much more coverage of how bad things have been in Eastern European countries.

They virtually missed the first wave in spring last year, but clearly they have taken a big hit over the winter months, I was shocked at the deaths per million, when I just looked on Worldometers.

 

[spring-peeper]

Here is a picture of a fb friend of a playdate at a park in Ottawa, Canada.




Our most recent lockdown included children's playground.
Our premier, Doug Ford, quickly reversed that.

Golfing is still forbidden here... and tennis.....
It was quickly reversed.

 

[elbows]

In India they've been cracking on with the IPL

For those that don't know the IPL is an Indian cricket tournament which is the richest and biggest in the world and has stars from all over the world playing.

A very predictable end to that:

IPL suspended after rise in Covid-19 cases among players

The Indian Premier League is suspended after an increase in coronavirus cases among players.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[William of Walworth]

Hannah Ellis-Petersen in The Guardian has been pretty damned good with her India reports in recent weeks -- with graphic, hard-to-read reporting at times

This piece mainly analyses how you manage to do reporting/journalism amongst such horrific conditions , but she does not hold back at all on how awful she's seen events be

More analysis by H E-P of vaccine shortages

And Amrit Dhillon in Delhi, Hannah's colleague, does not hold back with this Doctor's experience of oxygen shortages either

 

[jontz01]

yes was reading thsi earlier, a bit over extreme considering anyone returning has to pay for their quarantine.

I dunno, someone's got to pay for it.

Same rules apply here in NZ. Else I'd jump on a plane to UK right now to catch up with family.. Now I have to be sure we can afford to get back here once we get sick of England.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Don't know if this has been posted, but it's deeply sad.

 

[Yossarian]

I was surprised to read that one of the world's most vaccinated countries is seeing a spike in COVID cases, until I saw the word "Sinopharm."

Seychelles brings back curbs despite vaccination success

A third of the active cases in the country involve people who have had two vaccine doses.

www.bbc.com

 

[cupid_stunt]

Yeah, Sinopharm does seem somewhat shit.