I am being careful, that’s why I’m asking if you guys have any thoughts about it.
One of the things I’m bit about it how one doctor in NY can be finding something “new” when so many other doctors have had weeks of close up experience. Is he just desperately trying to invent a new approach out of his own desperation?
But I’m als looking at that initial report from the Italian doctor too.
All the rest use the NY doctor and the Italian doctor as their only source. So it’s all highly speculative.
But as I’ve said elsewhere, with a pandemic the sample size is necessarily enormous so trends can be spotted anecdotally (like the anosmia, which wasn’t reported by the Chinese so far as I’m aware). And the sheer force of speed and volume of cases might obstruct critical thinking...?
But yes, please trust that I’m asbolutely not taking this at face value,
Well "thinking" is the key word here... Just can't stand we are in this situation with literally no solution. How the hell can that even happen and nobody giving any sort of clear outcome
SheilaNaGig To be honest I don’t really understand what he’s saying. Afaik it’s a virus (a Coronavirus), that causes a pneumonia (inflammation or infection of lower airways, seen on a radiograph), that in a subset of patients with overwhelming inflammation can lead to Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS- which is a syndrome, basically a constellation of symptoms that are present- including inflammatory infiltrate or fluid in the lungs leading to respiratory distress).
What’s he disagreeing with? Maybe I don’t understand.
Pulmonary oedema just means fluid in the lungs, it’s a sign not a diagnosis, can be caused by different pathology,: heart failure or ARDS or altitude.
Thank you for taking the time to reply,
He’s not contradicting anything. He was saying yes, it’s a virus / viral pneumonia as sequelae in some Px. But other Px are presenting with hypoxia but no dyspnea. He’s seeing low blood o2 and the ground glass lungs , but no loss of volume in the lungs. He says he doesnt understand that. He’s saying on presentation some Px are showing Sx that might suggest altitude sickness : confusion, lethargy etc. No doubt those would also accompany fever + malaise assoc. w/ acute URTI.
It might all be the desperate casting about for something, anything, that could give him a chunk of hope for Tx. But an Italian front line doctor mentions something similar and so I was just wondering if anyone on our front line might have seen/heard similar thoughts.
As I said to LynnDoyleCooper , I’m not jumping on this with anything approaching belief, but it’s made me curious.
The article I linked and quoted in the post immediately following the one you replied to sums up his thoughts.
It’s all a bit non-sense tbh mate. Like, I’m sure you probably can be hypoxic (not enough oxygen reaching the tissues) without being dyspnoic (which is just the medical term for short of breath or increased respiratory rate). For example, in exhausted patients in terminal phase. But most hypoxic patients will be short of breath. And we know that people with covid are hypoxic and short of breath.Thank you for taking the time to reply,
He’s not contradicting anything. He was saying yes, it’s a virus / viral pneumonia as sequelae in some Px. But other Px are presenting with hypoxia but no dyspnea. He’s seeing low blood o2 and the grounds glass lungs , but no loss of volume in the lungs. He says he doesnt understand that. He’s saying on presentation some Px are showing Sx that might suggest altitude sickness : confusion, lethargy etc. No doubt those would also accompany fever + malaise assoc. w/ acute URTI.
It might all be the desperate casting about for something, anything, that could give him a chunk of hope for Tx. But an Italian front line doctor mentions something similar and so I was just wondering if anyone on our front line might have seen/heard similar thoughts.
As I said to LynnDoyleCooper , I’m not jumping on this with anything approaching belief, but it’s made me curious.
It’s all a bit non-sense tbh mate. Like, I’m sure you probably can be hypoxic (not enough oxygen reaching the tissues) without being dyspnoic (which is just the medical term for short of breath or increased respiratory rate). For example, in exhausted patients in terminal phase. But most hypoxic patients will be short of breath. And we know that people with covid are hypoxic and short of breath.
Ground glass just refers to the appearance on CT.
Im still not sure what point he’s making?
The president of the EU’s top science funding agency stepped down Tuesday, issuing a damning indictment of the bloc’s response to the coronavirus crisis.
Mauro Ferrari, an Italian-American scientist who has led the European Research Council since January, said he had resigned following a dispute over the EU’s approach to the crisis — stating he has “lost faith in the system.”
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As well as a failure to fund scientists to tackle the crisis, Ferrari cited a “complete absence of coordination of health care policies among member states, the recurrent opposition to cohesive financial support initiatives, the pervasive one-sided border closures, and the marginal scale of synergistic scientific initiatives” by the EU.
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from 08/04/2020 EU science chief resigns, slamming bloc’s coronavirus responseFerrari said his proposal that the council “establish a special program directed at combating Covid-19” was “rejected unanimously by the governing body of the ERC.”
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This is not a test.
A new way of life is about to unfold get ready. This is a test... The next one will make you think about it, if you haven't already. Think about it!
The latest figures come amid speculation that the actual number of Covid-19 deaths in Spain is much higher than official figures.
Recently released data from judicial authorities in Madrid, for example, suggest that 6,600 more people than usual died in the last two weeks of March, compared with the official tally of 3,500 Covid-19 deaths in the region.
When pressed, the health minister argued that Spain’s criteria ranks among the most stringent in Europe. “Everyone who tests positive and dies is counted as having died due to the coronavirus,” Illa told reporters.
His explanation suggests that those who have died in elderly care homes and private residences – the vast majority of whom were not tested for the virus – are not included in the data.
Spain’s justice ministry has responded by requesting judicial authorities to urgently send all records of burials and cremations that have taken place since emergency measures were imposed in mid-March, according to broadcaster Cadena Ser.
What is the difference between a new vaccine and some of these others they think will help? Shouldn't they focus on the ones already out there, they all keep getting spoken about by Trump and UK government so must have legs right?
Trump is hawking a malarial cure he has an interest in. His mate Bolsonaro seems keen on it as well. If you want to buy into this medicine show, that's your choice. But the hydroxychloroquine is only in a trial stage for treating C-19. And there are nasty side effects, apparently.
Yes, nasty side effects, and a real risk of death if the dose is too high.
It has a narrow therapeutic window for malaria, meaning that the dose that helps is very close to the dose that harms and even kills. The bit in between where therapy and help can be found is narrow,
It's already made up boy.Make your mind up, lad
The make sense, child, or GTFO.It's already made up boy.
I know what those words and terms mean, that’s why I used them
Let me guess... it's all a plot by the Illuminati space lizards to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids. The only way to defeat this is to buy overpriced, possibly contaminated supplements and only listen to news if it's being misread and distorted by some purple-faced yelling twat.A new way of life is about to unfold get ready. This is a test... The next one will make you think about it, if you haven't already. Think about it!
No its all about the corona virus. What did you think it was about purple faced yelling twat. Like always most people interpret the wrong meaning bloody hell get a grip. It's all about flicking the switch, at any given time. This is just a trial to see how we will respond. Think about it.Let me guess... it's all a plot by the Illuminati space lizards to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids. The only way to defeat this is to buy overpriced, possibly contaminated supplements and only listen to news if it's being misread and distorted by some purple-faced yelling twat.
You didn't give us much to go on, so I had to fill in some gaps.
what fucking switch?No its all about the corona virus. What did you think it was about purple faced yelling twat. Like always most people interpret the wrong meaning bloody hell get a grip. It's all about flicking the switch, at any given time. This is just a trial to see how we will respond. Think about it.
How is it a trial? Nobody planned for this virus, which is why a whole load of people are fucking dying.No its all about the corona virus. What did you think it was about purple faced yelling twat. Like always most people interpret the wrong meaning bloody hell get a grip. It's all about flicking the switch, at any given time. This is just a trial to see how we will respond. Think about it.
It's Thinking outside the box that makes the difference, seek and thou shall fucking find as you put it.How is it a trial? Nobody planned for this virus, which is why a whole load of people are fucking dying.
The switch on and off.what fucking switch?