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elbows
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Sounds like China is going to start including the asymptomatic cases in their figures.
www.scmp.com
China to include symptom-free coronavirus carriers in national figures
The National Health Commission says it will start to include asymptomatic cases in its Covid-19 statistics in move to address public concern.
www.scmp.com
elbows
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Like with a number of other places that are touted as being models for how it might be possible to do things without the most restrictive measures, I continue to urge caution about whether their approaches are sustainable.
For example last week Singapore felt the need to do this:
Coronavirus: All entertainment venues in Singapore to close, gatherings outside work and school limited to 10 people
Bars, cinemas and all other entertainment outlets will be closed from March 26, 11.59pm till April 30. Read more at straitstimes.com.
elbows
Well-Known Member
BBC Live updates page is going on about how latest Trump press conference might reveal new details about the 2.2 million death worst case scenario that he mentioned the other day.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52101615 21:52 entry.
Well, I dont need to wait for him to talk about it more, the numbers are clearly from the now famous Imperial college report of mid March (the same one that was credited with changing UK approach to suppress instead of mitigate).
That quote is from page 7.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52101615 21:52 entry.
Well, I dont need to wait for him to talk about it more, the numbers are clearly from the now famous Imperial college report of mid March (the same one that was credited with changing UK approach to suppress instead of mitigate).
That quote is from page 7.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Mentioned Singapore varying her restrictions on an earlier thread. It's surely a good sign: shows her government's alert to the risk of complacency, and is adjusting measures as the need arises. Right now they're on high alert over the risk of an influx of imported cases triggering a local outbreak, so this precaution's sensible. The underlying rationale of maintaining the maximum level of freedom and normality compatible with public safety is one I like. If they're forced to implement a lockdown at some point, should maximize its brevity and effectiveness.Like with a number of other places that are touted as being models for how it might be possible to do things without the most restrictive measures, I continue to urge caution about whether their approaches are sustainable.
For example last week Singapore felt the need to do this:
Coronavirus: All entertainment venues in Singapore to close, gatherings outside work and school limited to 10 people
Bars, cinemas and all other entertainment outlets will be closed from March 26, 11.59pm till April 30. Read more at straitstimes.com.www.straitstimes.com
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
I'll not defend her political system for a second. The principle's transferrable without doing so, as testified by its application to Taiwan and South Korea, both undoubted democracies with the rule of law. So's Japan, although she appears a Covid outlier for all kinds of reasons.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Undoubted democracies lol.
medium.economist.com
Reporting in Singapore taught me to appreciate America’s messy democracy
Returning to American politics after three years in South-East Asia
medium.economist.com
teqniq
DisMembered
Total chaos, particularly wrt to Syria:
www.theguardian.com
Fears over hidden Covid-19 outbreak in Lebanon, Iraq and Syria
Number of cases may far exceed official figures amid claims of quarantining by non-state actors
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
To clarify again: I said that South Korea and Taiwan were undoubted democracies (which doesn't mean I think they're anything close to perfect: I certainly don't agree with S. Korea's national security law); Singapore obviously isn't, and as I said, I'm not defending her political system.Undoubted democracies lol.
Reporting in Singapore taught me to appreciate America’s messy democracy
Returning to American politics after three years in South-East Asia
I greatly respect your posts on this, and will chalk this up to a genuine misunderstanding.
teqniq
DisMembered
As should we here.
edition.cnn.com
Portugal gives migrants and asylum-seekers full citizenship rights during coronavirus outbreak | CNN
Portugal has given all migrants and asylum seekers full citizenship rights, granting them full access to the country's healthcare as the outbreak of the novel coronavirus escalates in the country.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yes I misread your post, sorry.
Anyway I will wait and see how these countries turn out in the weeks ahead, you know I'm not sure whether their measures are sustainable or not. It would certainly give us more options if they are, so I'm not wishing for them to fail, but the timing just isnt quite right for me to assume yet.
elbows
Well-Known Member
For those that are interested in their approach, I recommend reading both the daily documents they produce, as they give far more clues about some of the detail of managing things in that way.
South Korea official docs:
For example, from March 31st update:
And again, signs they felt the need to go further than the original approach that caught peoples attention:
South Korea official docs:
For example, from March 31st update:
And again, signs they felt the need to go further than the original approach that caught peoples attention:
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Looks like this is all part of the dance from the "hammer and the dance" article. (S. Korea of course never let things spiral to the point she was left with no choice but to hammer transmission down.) Temporary restrictions that can be imposed and loosened as needed, depending on what testing shows. The extent and diligence of testing and tracing in those reports is remarkable.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yes its the level of detail that made me suggest reading them.
Also a good idea to keep up on news from these countries, so we dont assume their approach is in any way easy for them.
Also a good idea to keep up on news from these countries, so we dont assume their approach is in any way easy for them.
Major hospital in Seoul on alert after 9-year-old tests positive for coronavirus
A nine-year-old girl hospitalized at Asan Medical Center in Seoul tested positive for the coronavirus Tuesday, raising alert over possible transmissions at one of the biggest hospitals in South Korea. The patient, who was being treated for non-respiratory symptoms in a single-bed room, was...
www.koreaherald.com
Korea sticks to honor system in virus battle
South Korea’s virus fight plan will largely remain noncompulsory, Vice Health Minister Kim Gang-lip said Tuesday, with its surveillance system upheld by massive testing and contact tracing. Korea on Tuesday added 125 to its virus tally with the total now reaching 9,786. Over half -- 5,408 --...
www.koreaherald.com
elbows
Well-Known Member
They keep having to push back plans to reopen schools too.
Virus forces schools to go virtual, but many are still unprepared
South Korea said Tuesday it will begin a new semester for the country’s elementary, middle and high schools online starting April 9, as the government fights to stem the novel coronavirus spread. Students could start going to schools as early as end-April, taking turns by their grades...
www.koreaherald.com
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Not surprised, with people returning home from countries with uncontrolled spread, now must be the highest risk time since the initial outbreak. When they're able to seal borders and, hopefully, see zero community transmission for a sustained period (not guaranteed, of course), may then reassess.
Anju
Well-Known Member
Saw this posted earlier in the thread.
Pandemic simulation exercise spotlights massive preparedness gap
Followed a link to the rankings of 195 countries health security published after the simulation and US is top, Britain second. Just wondering where the wrongness is. The study and conclusions, the data, how our government has reacted, or a combination.
The Global Health Security Index
Pandemic simulation exercise spotlights massive preparedness gap
Followed a link to the rankings of 195 countries health security published after the simulation and US is top, Britain second. Just wondering where the wrongness is. The study and conclusions, the data, how our government has reacted, or a combination.
The Global Health Security Index
Persistently seeing countries anthropomorphised as female is starting to really bother me. It’s fucking weird. A country is either “it” as a thing or “they” as a collective. It’s like something from the nineteenth century to view it as some kind of mother figure.
Flavour
hang the bankers
I agree. It's jarring. Understandable from native speakers of languages where countries are gendered as female, but don't think that's the case here.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Are you saying that countries are non-binary, or gender-fluid?
elbows
Well-Known Member
Now I'm really sure that its that Imperial College report they have been trying to school Trump with, and thats why he decided to go on about how bad things would have been for the UK if it had stuck to plan a. Well that and his usual modus operandi of projecting his own failings onto someone else and then throwing them under the bus. In this case since its Johnson and the herd immunity shit, I wont complain too much.
"If you remember, they were looking at that concept - I guess it's a concept if you don't mind death, a lot of death - but they were looking at that in the UK, remember," Trump told a White House press briefing on Tuesday.
"And all of a sudden they went hard the other way because they started seeing things that weren't good, so they put themselves in a little bit of a problem."
He added: "It would have been very catastrophic I think if that would have happened."
Trump says the UK's coronavirus plan for 'herd immunity' would have been 'catastrophic' and caused 'a lot of death'
Trump said that Boris Johnson's initial plan to allow the coronavirus to spread in order to create "herd immunity" would have been "catastrophic."www.businessinsider.com
The Pale King
Well-Known Member
Vive La France!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Fuck me. Johnson was at least two weeks behind where he should have been, and Trump is two weeks behind Johnson.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Indeed, Marianne and Mother Russia beg to disagree.
Interesting that Germany was always the Fatherland, though. Most countries are feminine.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Fuck me. Johnson was at least two weeks behind where he should have been, and Trump is two weeks behind Johnson.
Not to agree with Trump but he was probably always on a different path to Johnson, one of complete incompetence rather than deliberately letting loads of people get sick and die.
With all the fibs around testing, ventilators, PPE etc and a big proportion of their mates in the media all saying "we"* are sacrificing too much economically I am not sure any more that they (edit: we) aren't still on that path either TBH.
* of course this means "you lot"
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
What rammed tubes? Where?
I decided to get the bus to work today as, while two weeks ago the tube numbers were down, last week they were down so much that I started wondering about my safety. I avoided getting into a carriage that just had one man in it, and saw the only other person on the platform, a woman, do the same. (We looked at each other and knew.)
Why are you referring to countries using female pronouns? It doesn't reflect well on you.
