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weltweit said:
Yes I do still question the lack of travel restrictions early in the process the lack of which I think was an error.
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I'm not on about your attitude towards stuff earlier in the process, I'm on about your recent and current calls for travel restrictions, such as earlier this evening #3,096 And I'm not defending what has and has not been done so far, I'm just explaining why its been done and what their thinking is.

I make no exact predictions in terms of where the locations of spread happen, or what measures will be implemented, but I suppose it is standard to anticipate that epidemics tend to involve local and regional timing variations.

Its also a mistake to think of lockdowns only in terms of preventing spread to other locations. Its very much also to reduce the spread within the location that has been locked down.
 
elbows said:
I'm not on about your attitude towards stuff earlier in the process, I'm on about your recent and current calls for travel restrictions, such as earlier this evening #3,096 And I'm not defending what has and has not been done so far, I'm just explaining why its been done and what their thinking is.
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Perhaps the time for travel restrictions might be coming to an end because if we're just as infected as other places incoming individuals will hardly add to our level of infection.

But I don't believe that, I believe we should be restricting travel into the country from hotspots and probably checking temperatures at airports as well, what harm could it do?
I make no exact predictions in terms of where the locations of spread happen, or what measures will be implemented, but I suppose it is standard to anticipate that epidemics tend to involve local and regional timing variations.
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I accept that that might be what is happening, however do you take my point from my last post that the epidemics in Italy and Iran seem to be more serious than those in Singapore Hong Kong and South Korea?
Its also a mistake to think of lockdowns only in terms of preventing spread to other locations. Its very much also to reduce the spread within the location that has been locked down.
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It will be interesting to see what Italy achieves in the northern region that they're locking down now.
 
Since we have an entire subforum for this subject now, should we start threads for some of the subjects that have ended up in this thread so far?

Maybe Italy should have its own thread, given what has been reported this evening, as the BBC puts it:

Italy is set to lock down at least 10 million people in the region of Lombardy and 11 provinces in the north and the east of the country.

The mandatory quarantine will last until early April.
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www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: Northern Italy quarantines 16 million people

A quarter of the population is in lockdown as Italy takes drastic action to control Covid-19.
www.bbc.co.uk

I'm crap at starting threads myself, and I'd rather someone with some link with or particular knowledge of Italy start that one going, since all I'm going to be abler to do is parrot what the press says and maybe occasionally add some opinion of mine or some pandemic context to some matter in particular.
 
Incidently can anyone remember that link I posted to a site called something like worldometer, it had a corona virus section showing infections around the world? I've been looking for it but I can't remember the link.
 
weltweit said:
I accept that that might be what is happening, however do you take my point from my last post that the epidemics in Italy and Iran seem to be more serious than those in Singapore Hong Kong and South Korea?
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South Korea does not belong on that list, its having a tough time.

Singapore etc are like China to me in the sense that various sorts of quite potent social distancing and contact tracing have been engaged in, and I will wait to see with interest what happens next in those places. Also I have to back off on certain tempting assumptions because the picture shown by data in every county is of unknown quality to me, and in no country is it likely that the number of confirmed cases is close to the actual number of cases. I dont know if the numbers from Singapore properly tell the story in SIngapore, they might, but there might be a dimension that is not apparent right now.

So yes, it will be interesting to see what happens in the areas of Italy in the weeks ahead. Iran has started doing more and more extreme measures too, and the quality of some of their numbers should be improving since test capacity and response got ramped up there via partners such as WHO.
 
Oh the BBC updated the Italy story to say 16 million people instead of 11 million.

www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: Northern Italy quarantines 16 million people

A quarter of the population is in lockdown as Italy takes drastic action to control Covid-19.
www.bbc.co.uk

Italy is set to lock down at least 16 million people in the region of Lombardy and in 11 other provinces in the north and east of the country.

The mandatory quarantine will last until early April.
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On test capacity I could have sworn I heard Boris Johnson saying that he had invested government funds into the development or potential development of a faster test for this virus.

I only heard it once and haven't heard anything about it since. Still if a faster and cheaper test were available it could make tracking this virus much easier.

However I suppose if it was doable perhaps the Chinese would have done it already.
 
weltweit said:
On test capacity I could have sworn I heard Boris Johnson saying that he had invested government funds into the development or potential development of a faster test for this virus.

I only heard it once and haven't heard anything about it since. Still if a faster and cheaper test were available it could make tracking this virus much easier.
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How can you believe a single word he says though?
 
elbows on your idea of a thread about Italy, the only way to know if a thread will work is to start it and then see.. it is always tricky to know in advance.
 
weltweit said:
Incidently can anyone remember that link I posted to a site called something like worldometer, it had a corona virus section showing infections around the world? I've been looking for it but I can't remember the link.
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www.worldometers.info

Coronavirus Update (Live): 129,471,257 Cases and 2,828,154 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info
 
Well Rutita1 the trouble is I haven't heard any of the established UK experts talking about this initiative, the only person I heard mention it was Johnson.
 
Weltweit you're so sweetly naive sometimes.

Rutita1 said:
What like Matt Hancock saying that they were in talks with supermarkets?

Like 40, 000 extra nurses?

40 new hospitals?

How many new police?

How many kids does he have?

Oven ready Brexit?

Plan for social care?
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Or shaking hands with people with coronavirus in a hospital that doesn't have any? Trying for a Princess Di moment, and failing.
 
Recently, I've see articles about facebook, ebay and other social media cracking down on ads relating relating to the virus. Too much false information is being spread using these mediums.

Currently, my facebook timeline has this post. Over the past several hours, it is second post I see.

Help Prevent the Spread of Coronavirus

When it comes to health, everyone wants what's best for themselves and their families.
See the latest information from the Public Health Agency of Canada so you can help prevent the spread of novel coronavirus (COVID-19).

Go to canada.ca
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I hope this is a way to help us keep up to date.


(not everyone in Canada is reading this thread, so I think it is a good idea.)
 
Italy measures are making me scared for my parents again. They live in Switzerland just the other side of the border from some of the bits now being locked down and have been in and out of the ‘red zone’ several times recently for totally non essential reasons. They’ve been surprisingly blasé about it for people in their 70s. My mum said their friends are avoiding them which I thinks understandable .
This lockdown will wake them up and will also probably cause all semblance of normal life to grind to a halt where they live (Ticino) which relies massively on Italians crossing the border every morning to work in Switzerland then going home again each day.
 
Yeah Ticino is gonna be pretty fucked if the border is closed. I don't know how enforceable the quarantine is going to be along the hundreds of roads which enter Lombardy from Piedmont and Emilia but surely the border crossing at Como - Chiasso will be quite easy to control.

This is all escalating way faster than people are psychologically prepared for. People cramming onto the last trains leaving Lombardy last night - its like Children of Men
 
I see, according to the stats on Wiki, that in the last 24 hours the number of new cases in the UK (46) has now overtaken the number of new cases reported in China (41) (both nowhere near Italy (+1000)). Maybe we have to take the China numbers with a pinch of salt but it seems to be working whatever they're doing, of course their overall number of people infected and hence the number dying is still high.
 
Indeliblelink said:
I see, according to the stats on Wiki, that in the last 24 hours the number of new cases in the UK (46) has now overtaken the number of new cases reported in China (41) (both nowhere near Italy (+1000)). Maybe we have to take the China numbers with a pinch of salt but it seems to be working whatever they're doing, of course their overall number of people infected and hence the number dying is still high.
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Let’s hope the lessons from China have been learned by the West!
 
lazythursday said:
Surely it's not beyond the realms of possibility to close most schools but keep one school open in an area to cater for kids of key workers? Or something similar. Most would be able to stay with one of their friends anyway surely?
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Something like this will have to happen sooner or later, I think.

And it would be better to start planning for and even implementing it now than once the virus has had another month to spread through the population.
 
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