LDC
On est tous des pangolins
No. Full report on the variant only came to them Friday. They knew about it before, but didn't know full impact, spread, or modelling.
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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No. Full report on the variant only came to them Friday. They knew about it before, but didn't know full impact, spread, or modelling.
bimble
floofy
So on Wednesday he really did think it a totally risible crazy idea that Christmas plans would have to change. I still don’t get it tbh. I mean I don’t believe there’s an excuse for that, that was a choice. Could have said I hope not instead of mocking the idea.
eta I mean look at it.This was Wednesday.
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Flavour
hang the bankers
Update: I didn't fly to the UK. Too risky. I abandoned the airport at Amsterdam, where I still am. KLM would not send me back to Italy for free because technically my outgoing flight to the UK was still going. (though obviously the return was cancelled) - will be an interesting one. I'm getting a bus to Paris tonight, then we'll see. I'm not worried about crossing France to Italy border even if there is a super hard lockdown, I will literally walk across a mountain path if necessary
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hiraethified
But the whole easing up for Christmas idea was a fucking shit one and should never have been announced.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
New variant aside things were already bad enough by Wednesday for Johnson to do something. Wednesday was when I cancelled my Christmas and I don't think I was particularly ahead of the game. I don't think he should be let off because of apparent new data about a variant two days later.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah absolutely totally agree. But that was also wanted by a lot of people in the country. And I guess he could have done that, and then the data might not have been that bad. I do think with lots of these things there's no easy or right answers tbh. (They have obviously massively fucked up so many times this year though, so not excusing all those.)
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Are other countries not allowing their citizens back in from the UK?
Not really sure what relevance this has tbh - especially considering how much of that wanting has been allowed to grow - encouraged - by the government that's just pulled the rug out.
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hiraethified
Come on. The graphs were all pointing in the wrong direction. They've fucked this up from the start and have continued to fuck it up on a near-weekly basis.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh if wanting got things then boris's head would have been on a spike long ago
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
bimble
floofy
I think it’s very relevant, to his actions. The man is desperate to tell people whatever they want to hear.
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hiraethified
Yes. Several. Imagine following government guidance and booking your flight home and then finding yourself stranded at an airport with nowhere to go? People have got a right to be fucking livid. Some people won't now have anywhere to stay in the UK for weeks, possibly months.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not only have they fucked this up from the start they fucked it up before the start by the chronic underfunding of the nhs, so that there were more than 30,000 nursing vacancies before the pandemic started, and the pandemic planning from years back had been undermined by shortages of emergency equipment.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
one of the silver linings of this sorry year has been seeing a number of estate agents going out of business
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
And it will just make people go round the houses via whichever countries they can get to, which is counterproductive as far as infection control is concerned.
bimble
floofy
What are they supposed to do these people?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I think it's relevant as they were under pressure to do something over Xmas that allowed people to meet. I think there is some truth to the fact that some people were going to do it anyway and maybe guidance was better than a free-for-all. Parliament on some level does have to react to what people want sometimes.
TBH I think it's possible to hate the government and think they've massively fucked this year up, without thinking that everything they do is always totally the wrong decision.
Of course it's shit, but what should they have done on Saturday with the new evidence of the variant? Not changed the rules? Changed them last week at the first hint of a possibility things might be bad, then relaxed them again if the evidence changed? Or back in September when the variant was first detected?
To give an idea of how fast things are progressing in my own little area of East London (seven-day rolling rate up to the date given per 100k taken from Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard)
01/12: 189.4
08/12: 247
14/12: 420
15/12: 527
The borough and wider surrounding area are following the same trend from what I can see. This is looking very bad.
01/12: 189.4
08/12: 247
14/12: 420
15/12: 527
The borough and wider surrounding area are following the same trend from what I can see. This is looking very bad.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
All the contingency planning went into preparing for no-deal brexit instead. So at least we're ready for that
bimble
floofy
Maybe just informing other countries earlier that there might possibly - but not definitely - be a big problem here would have allowed people to not get stranded at airports overnight with nowhere to stay.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I haven't seen reports of people stranded at airports with nowhere to stay, are there some? I'm at work so restricted access to internet sites.
bimble
floofy
Haven’t seen reports no.
eta looks like it’s being left to other countries to figure out how to repatriate their people.
“Totally cordon off the uk”
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elbows
Well-Known Member
I had a brief poke at this detail from the NEVTAG minutes:
Indeed. Without knowing anything at all about a new variant I said this on December 12th:
And Hancock making public comments about the new variant on Monday was indicative of how far advanced their thinking was on that, its not something you just casually chuck out there.
I dont know what else to say to people who are confusing the timing of certain formalities with the timing of establishment recognition of this new variant. And if we had no genome surveillance and hadnt noticed this new variant at all, I still think the usual hospital etc data would have forced them to act.
Indeed. Without knowing anything at all about a new variant I said this on December 12th:
And Hancock making public comments about the new variant on Monday was indicative of how far advanced their thinking was on that, its not something you just casually chuck out there.
I dont know what else to say to people who are confusing the timing of certain formalities with the timing of establishment recognition of this new variant. And if we had no genome surveillance and hadnt noticed this new variant at all, I still think the usual hospital etc data would have forced them to act.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if only these were the rates for sw1a rather than e8 & environsTo give an idea of how fast things are progressing in my own little area of East London (seven-day rolling rate up to the date given per 100k taken from Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard)
01/12: 189.4
08/12: 247
14/12: 420
15/12: 527
The borough and wider surrounding area are following the same trend from what I can see. This is looking very bad.
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