Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
This.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
editor
hiraethified
Great news if you've got a handy wedge of cash, yes. Most stranded people are unlikely to be ringing them up right now, although I'm still baffled why estate agents seem to be one of the very few businesses unable to operate over Zoom and need to open their physical offices.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and who can blame them
editor
hiraethified
And yet in Brixton we get a new one opening in one of London's poorest wards with faux edgy 'not another f@cking estate agents' branding. Cunts.
editor
hiraethified
What do you think is going to happen? Of course some people are going to be stranded.
The corona viruses that form part of the common cold started like this I'm sure. The rate of spread and potential to change make a real vaccine that does more than mitigate symptoms impossible. Give it 10 years and it will be forgotten or worse because of modern population density.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i don't see why, when as i understand it the c19 vaccine affects how the virus attaches itself to cells in the body and not to the virus as a whole as a lot of other vaccines do
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, that's really bad. 326 dead too, up 182 from last week. Fuck.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
If she lives in London, I would recommend going home.
Even if she manages to get an outbound flight soon, chances are she won't get a return journey so she could be stuck there for a while.
editor
hiraethified
You're assuming that she has somewhere to stay for a month or whatever. She hasn't.
Cid
Proper break this time
Most reports are saying the scientists involved are in constant communication internationally... Fact is to actually know what's going on you need data. And that means combining genomic analysis with trends on a population level. Sometimes you are just going to get 'oh shit' moments when that all comes together.
In terms of travel, there was always going to be a risk of new developments. I'm pretty sure this has always been stated in travel guidance. Even deciding to travel knowing the current situation in Europe is, tbh, pretty irresponsible. Of course there are exceptions to that, whether it's care or last opportunities to see someone, and in those case, yeah. Grim.
There's nothing in the current trajectory that makes me think international travel in or out of the UK will be very easy at all for at least a month. My brother's much-hated mother in law is supposed to be arriving from Poland for christmas tomorrow - his look of horror when I suggested her two-week stay may be extended substantially was heart-rending: for his sake, I'm hoping Poland to UK flights are cancelled before she sets off...
bimble
floofy
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
Been rumbled in any case:
Top Tory claims PM deliberately waited to announce Tier 4 until MPs went home
Charles Walker, Vice Chair of the 1922 Committee of Tory backbenchers, claims the Government knew it intended to 'cancel' Christmas plans on Wednesdaywww.mirror.co.uk
Actually, Charles Walker, Vice Chair of the 1922 Committee of Tory backbenchers loons, only said, "I suspect the Government knew they were going to cancel Christmas on Wednesday and Thursday when they were still telling the House of Commons they planned to press ahead".
The problem with the idea that Johnson & Co. actually knew for sure a curve ball was coming on Friday. would mean there was a conspiracy by the other 3 nations of the UK and a dozen academic institutions involved in Genomics UK, and that both Sturgeon and Drakeford held off restricting Christmas to a single day to help Johnson out.
Frankly if you believe that, you are going down a rabbit hole.
Wowsers. I have been a right doom-monger/well-informed realist throughout all this, but I didn't see this curveball coming.
Not feeling good about it. At all. Unhappily, for the first time since back in March, actually worried again about not having access to healthcare should the worst happen.
Maybe, like mwgdrwg said, time to have a cup of tea...
Not feeling good about it. At all. Unhappily, for the first time since back in March, actually worried again about not having access to healthcare should the worst happen.
Maybe, like mwgdrwg said, time to have a cup of tea...
Cid
Proper break this time
It depends how those countries are tracking variation. Australia has very few cases in the first place, Denmark has a population of 5.8m compared to our population of 66m. Without actually knowing more about the science, we really have no idea on the significance.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Bydde ti'n iawn ar yr ynys na?
Cid
Proper break this time
baldrick
hmmmmm
Keep us updated with your travels. I don't know if we could do anything to help, but do let us know if there is. Good luck
Raheem
Well-Known Member
This is not a government that ever knows on Wednesday what it will be doing on Friday.
especially if you take the mountain path route, Flavour
miss direct
misfungled
Those poor people who can't leave. Not the ones going on holiday, but the ones who don't have anywhere to go. Hostels are obviously a bad idea (and are they even allowed to be open in tier 4?) Not allowed to leave tier 4 - hence higher rent/hotel/air bnb prices. Who has the money to just unexpectedly stay on in and around London, over Christmas?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
NERVTAG minutes go into detail a bit more on this.
Four analytic approaches were reviewed regarding the transmissibility of VUI-202012/01
o Growth rate from genomic data: which suggest a growth rate of VUI-202012/01 that that is 71% (95%CI: 67%-75%) higher than other variants.
o Studies of correlation between R-values and detection of the variant: which suggest an absolute increase in the R-value of between 0.39 to 0.93.
o PCR ct values: which suggest a decrease of ct value of around 2 associated with the new variant.
o Viral load inferred from number of unique genome reads: which suggests 0.5 increase in median log10 inferred viral load in Y501 versus N501.
The way I've interpreted it, is easier to catch. That is, this particular strain is more able to bind to cells.
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