Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Leadership crisis in Britain 2016-2024 at this rate.
Some consistent messaging and actual leadership would be very nice. It would also be nice not to have every speech used as part of the culture war and dismiss a chunk of the electorate.
Some consistent messaging and actual leadership would be very nice. It would also be nice not to have every speech used as part of the culture war and dismiss a chunk of the electorate.
bimble
floofy
Yep. They must have a fairly good grasp of likely compliance rates with any Xmas u-turn. Not helped by the way journalists have been obsessively asking about Christmas in press conferences about covid since October.
You have more confidence in them than I do...
bimble
floofy
Hmm. Maybe my insistence on the idea that most people won’t change their plans whatever government says now is partly because I find it depressing to think that a large proportion of us, having all the information already as we do, would still wait for Johnson to tell us what to do. Loads of people will have chosen to not see vulnerable relatives this year regardless of Johnson’s gift, etc.
wtfftw
melting like a toastie
I think cautious people will be more cautious but others will take official guidance as a green light and others will push it past what is permitted. It's like all the other restrictions but with more hype and desperation.
I reckon that those of us already in Tier 3 won't be put into Tier 2 tomorrow, because that clown in Downing St will say "You've all done jolly well. Stick it out for another few days until the we give everyone a chance to see their family for Christmas" then, the day before the Christmas free for all, he'll say he's cancelled it with a heavy heart and alas and how sorry he is and how he knows we're all good eggs who don't want to swamp the NHS and that the scientists are all big nasty meanies.
Looby
Well-Known Member
I’m really conflicted about the Christmas thing. I absolutely agree that it’s madness for households to be mixing over Christmas but I’m going to be one of those arseholes begging for an exception.
My relative is vulnerable, has MH issues and I really don’t want them to be alone this Christmas. I’d be desperately worried about them. They’re in tier 3 and travelling from almost the other end of the country on public transport. It probably is risky but actually not doing it could be worse.
Whatever happens, I hope they still come.
My relative is vulnerable, has MH issues and I really don’t want them to be alone this Christmas. I’d be desperately worried about them. They’re in tier 3 and travelling from almost the other end of the country on public transport. It probably is risky but actually not doing it could be worse.
Whatever happens, I hope they still come.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Have things actually got significantly better in any Tier 3 areas? Assuming we're all going to Xmas rules in a other week, wouldn't it be best to just wait until then before relaxing anything?
I don't know what the rates are like in any other Tier 3 area, but in the North West where I am, it looks like the rate of infection is going down.
That said, I am in no rush to come out of Tier 3 tomorrow or for Christmas. I think the Christmas relaxation idea is crackers.
I'm just fed up of Johnson being such an arse and talking to us as if he's Bertie Wooster and we're all about three.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Depends how far they are willing to localise decisions.
On the broadest regional level, although London, the South East and the East of England have the most alarming trajectories, there are no regions where I am happy with the data, no region where I think wiggle room to relax is demonstrated to my satisfaction.
But in terms of the smaller areas they actually use when making decisions, perhaps they can still find some where they think the picture is still going in the right direction. A lot of the complaints from various MPs etc about the last set of tier decisions incolved which areas were lumpted together. eg I'm in Warwickshire and there was lots of moaning that they lumped Warwickshire in with Coventry and Solihull when making the decision, and some MPs seemed to be under the impression that Hancock had since assured them that wont happen again, but I dont know if those were false reassurances. And last time I checked, which was some time ago, there were also still big differences between North Warwickshire and South Warwickshire rates of infection.
If it were down to me I wouldnt relax tiers anywhere even if some data supported it, because the measures are too weak in general and the last message I'd want to be sending at this stage of the pandemic is that things are improving and we can relax a bit.
elbows
Well-Known Member
The only way for restrictions was certainly up when it came to Scotland:
Covid in Scotland: Tougher virus restrictions for three council areas
Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire and East Lothian will all move up to level three of the country's tiered system.
www.bbc.co.uk
There's no way that they'll announce tightening of stuff at christmas - which I'm confident they're about to do - then announce looser restrictions in the run up. Had they not fucked up so badly with London maybe things might be different, but as it is...
The graun has some polling from Ipsos Mori where they asked about what people thought of the current christmas rules, and there's I don't think the numbers suggest there'd be a huge resistance to them changing again:
The graun has some polling from Ipsos Mori where they asked about what people thought of the current christmas rules, and there's I don't think the numbers suggest there'd be a huge resistance to them changing again:
elbows
Well-Known Member
Ineptitude resurgence:
Covid: Chaotic start for travellers' Covid testing system
The Test to Release programme is supposed to cut quarantine times for people arriving in England.
www.bbc.co.uk
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
On compliance: from the latest BBC blog.
My bold. In fact, my words. I made the last bit up. But, y'know.
My bold. In fact, my words. I made the last bit up. But, y'know.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Looking at today's figures, they have a seriously big problem.
New cases are up 28.7% in the last 7-days, patients admitted to hospital up 14.7%, total patients in hospitals is a whopping 17,329 - that's well up from the 12,286 on the 31st Oct., when Johnson announced the second 'lockdown'.
New cases are up 28.7% in the last 7-days, patients admitted to hospital up 14.7%, total patients in hospitals is a whopping 17,329 - that's well up from the 12,286 on the 31st Oct., when Johnson announced the second 'lockdown'.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Oh and about this 'tightening' that some think inevitable. The four nations telephone call is at the request of Sturgeon. It isn't being instigated by Johnson. In fact, he's not even in on the call, it's Gove. Discussing a request from Sturgeon. Against the background of Starmer calling for a change. So excuse me while I don't hold my breath. And the latest seems to be the idea of reducing the limit of households meeting down from 3 to 2.
Radical.
Radical.
I see what you mean, similar situation here, my bubble relative lives alone but fortunately drives. I’d be concerned leaving them alone at Christmas, particularly this year because of non Covid related issues. I must confess that I had hoped that the government would restrict the Christmas rules further because it would have given us time to get used to the idea and think of alternative things to do for Christmas virtually.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Ah this makes more sense than the government willingly involving the devolved nations in decisions or consulting them before making a decision.
3 households to 2 would surely make some difference I’d hope. I’d have preferred if they’d started with 2 households and worked their way up to 3 if the rate of infection/hospital admissions were not continuing to increase
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Can you imagine the frantic and tricky negotiations about which household gets told they're the one that can't come? Urgh. Best off just cancelling the whole thing and promising people an extra bank holiday weekend in the spring or summer or something.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I’m not changing my Christmas plans
Me neither
I'm still on my own watching videos and eating and drinking too muchMaybe I’m just thinking of myself....I’d be the household volunteering to stay at home
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
My thoughts too and why I followed my post immediately with the compliance one.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Yeah. And once this bit of non-compliance is rationalised the mental barrier to breaking other "little" bits is gone.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
There have always been exceptions for caring for vulnerable folk, and so there should be. Most people however haven't got anything in the 'risk' column under staying the fuck home, and it's those people who need to have a serious think about their priorities. I get that people are doing family stuff for the sake of their kids, but the ability of those kids to go back to school after christmas is in the balance right now.
I hope all here and all their loved ones find some way to make the best of all this. Christ what a miserable and brutal year we've had
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