Supine
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Nothing from Indy Sage yet but they have just published some suggestions regarding holiday season.
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Nothing from Indy Sage yet but they have just published some suggestions regarding holiday season.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
That's an good example of where do you draw the lines?
Bournemouth & Christchurch used to be in the Hampshire county council area, and Poole in Dorset, I guess they would consider BCP as a 'city region'.
Bit like Brighton & Hove City used to be in the East Sussex county council area, but the 'Greater Brighton area' includes much of West Sussex too.
Looby
Well-Known Member
As far as I’m concerned, anything past County Gates is still Hampshire and it’s a hill I’ll die on.That's an good example of where do you draw the lines?
Bournemouth & Christchurch used to be in the Hampshire county council area, and Poole in Dorset, I guess they would consider BCP as a 'city region'.
Bit like Brighton & Hove City used to be in the East Sussex county council area, but the 'Greater Brighton area' includes much of West Sussex too.
I’ve never heard the term city region when living in Brighton or here.
The three councils only merged last year. We call it a total fucking shambles.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
As far as I’m concerned, anything past County Gates is still Hampshire and it’s a hill I’ll die on.
I’ve never heard the term city region when living in Brighton or here.
The three councils only merged last year. We call it a total fucking shambles.
Oh, you are new to this unitary authority stuff.
Brighton & Hove became a unitary authority in 1997, and was granted city status in 2001.
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The so-called 'Greater Brighton City Region', includes B&H City, plus Lewes district in East Sussex, and in West Sussex - Adur, Worthing, Arun. Mid-Sussex & even Crawley.
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miss direct
misfungled
I'm fairly confident that in tier 3 you could only have a drink with a meal anyway. I went to Wetherspoons (yes, I know, but it was the only place left open) and some men were told they couldn't order drinks without a meal.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Fucking bellend.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I can't listen to the briefings they're just too annoying. I can get all the info from here without having to see Johnson's face.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Nothing is being announced about Christmas until Thursday.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
'Fit and healthy' wrestler, 19, dies days after testing positive for Covid
Cam Wellington was rushed to hospital when his breathing deteriorated but, despite emergency surgery, he tragically died just over a week after his diagnosis.
metro.co.uk
Looby
Well-Known Member
No, all three towns were their own unitary authorities for years then all merged last year to make one. The rest of Dorset was made up of lots of little council areas and then all merged last year too so the county now has two councils instead of shitloads.Oh, you are new to this unitary authority stuff.
Brighton & Hove became a unitary authority in 1997, and was granted city status in 2001.
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The so-called 'Greater Brighton City Region', includes B&H City, plus Lewes district in East Sussex, and in West Sussex - Adur, Worthing, Arun. Mid-Sussex & even Crawley.
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Anyway, this is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion except I guess it will affect decisions about tiers. BCP will be assessed separately to Dorset Council I would guess.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
I understand nothing at all from those graphics, but have confidence in your wordsFairly strong La Niña forecast until at least February 2021. So likely milder/wetter/stormier weather rocking up for the UK through winter/spring 2021.
If we have a relatively mild winter a-coming, I hope it will be enough to counteract Christmas.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Fairly strong La Niña forecast until at least February 2021. So likely milder/wetter/stormier weather rocking up for the UK through winter/spring 2021.
I really don't need either a wetter or stormier than usual winter ie Dec to March, thanks.
It is already unpleasantly cold, wet and windy here in SW Northumberland.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
As long as it isn't significantly worse than normal ...
(I have a type of nueralgia that's made very much worse by cold and damp)
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
TrueI find pain from a shoulder injury years ago is worse when it's wet and cold
ska invita
back on the other side
Thanks, yeah i saw that one tweet....
I cant find a peep from SAGE on this. Last thing i heard from them was that Tiers are pretty shit
ska invita
back on the other side
There is never a need to hear a speech by a politician, ever
ska invita
back on the other side
Shouldn't one of these guys be at the podium on front of a camera saying we support this measure, the government are following our advice?
sorry i cant read a document right now
sorry i cant read a document right now
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I suspect this is a political matter.
‘Let us disobey’: Churches defy lockdown with secret meetings
Gathering in barns, cafes and bookshops, worshippers are flocking to illegal services around the countrywww.theguardian.com
Please remember the Conway Hall/National Secular Society got a two hundred thousand plus arts grant to tide them over the last few months.
As regards the Angel Church - they are clearly like Brixton Soup Kitchen with divine encouragement
Regarding all the other stuff about all the religions in the UK appealing to Boris and seeking a judicial review over closure - since when has democratic action been a matter to call out?
Can't speak for many denominations myself, but my parish church - St John's Angell Town was built for over a thousand at a sitting.
These days they are very lucky to get eighty. Social distancing not too much of problem there then
Even it you wanted to dispute communication of covid by Holy Communion/Mass - there are various remedies for this.
Intiction - dipping the wafer in the wine, or Methodist/Presbyterian style individual miniature glasses, or even communion in one kind - that is not taking the wine at all, as the Catholics do - I mean don't.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Don't be silly.
We can get around 200 on a good day. I want that stuff opened asap but it can't open as usual at full capacity at the moment. The last time I was at synagogue (in September) we had around 75 people maximum, it was freezing cold because all doors and windows open. On a usual yom kippur you get 4+ times that number easily and on a usual Saturday its about 100-150. This is one of the bigger synagogues btw, smaller ones have far less space and are much more tightly packed. Religious buildings vary widely in how many people go to them and on which days. We have a lot of very elderly and vulnerable people going as well and relying on for social support, as well as things like making food for homeless people etc.
I suspect my local village church is rather spacious and easy to do social distancing in but there are others for which it just isn't the same. Same in the synagogue where there's often classes and all sorts of activities going on. I know at my friends church you have bible studies and meetings going on in people's homes too. One of the earliest outbreaks was in a South Korean church, and one of the reasons it started spreading so much in the Jewish community in London was because of Purim celebrations in March. I don't think a lot of people would forgive themselves if they found themselves at the centre of an outbreak.
I'd love for religious things to go back as normal but it isn't possible at the moment.
We can get around 200 on a good day. I want that stuff opened asap but it can't open as usual at full capacity at the moment. The last time I was at synagogue (in September) we had around 75 people maximum, it was freezing cold because all doors and windows open. On a usual yom kippur you get 4+ times that number easily and on a usual Saturday its about 100-150. This is one of the bigger synagogues btw, smaller ones have far less space and are much more tightly packed. Religious buildings vary widely in how many people go to them and on which days. We have a lot of very elderly and vulnerable people going as well and relying on for social support, as well as things like making food for homeless people etc.
I suspect my local village church is rather spacious and easy to do social distancing in but there are others for which it just isn't the same. Same in the synagogue where there's often classes and all sorts of activities going on. I know at my friends church you have bible studies and meetings going on in people's homes too. One of the earliest outbreaks was in a South Korean church, and one of the reasons it started spreading so much in the Jewish community in London was because of Purim celebrations in March. I don't think a lot of people would forgive themselves if they found themselves at the centre of an outbreak.
I'd love for religious things to go back as normal but it isn't possible at the moment.
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elbows
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That isn't quite how things flow anyway. SAGE give their advice and then the government does what it wants with it. Some people with SAGE etc links also have roles that cause them to appear on occasion at these press conferences, and they all have their own ways of wording things but they aren't truly independent of government. As shown in the past and in that BBC programme about lockdown 1 the other day, a lot of professional experts with official roles feel the need to maintain a united front in public, and will come out with positions that support the government even when they privately disagree with something. This doesn't always happen, but at press conferences when announcing new measures it mostly will. The press will look for any signs of disagreement and will sometimes misinterpret even the mildest detail as being some expert speaking out, eg when the likes of Whitty said in October that tier 3 on its own wouldn't be enough - he was actually referring to regional leaders also need to choose from a menu on top of the basic tier 3 measures. At best we get to read between the lines and see some areas where the likes of Whitty are uneasy about how far the government are or are not going with something, but this is not terribly useful compared to reading the SAGE papers and minutes. Even in those some reading between the lines is sometimes required, depends on the subject and how much SAGE members are able to contain their frustration, and how the summary of the meeting is written (they aren't proper minutes at all, individuals rarely feature by name or direct quote).
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