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andysays said:
That all makes sense, but I thought it wasn't simply a capacity issue, but an issue of accuracy.

If someone who is infected but hasn't yet developed enough of whatever is being tested for tests negative when they're actually positive, because they were, in effect, tested too early, then surely this will give a false sense of security.

The general rule surely has to be to behave as if you may yourself be infectious, and that those around you may also be infectious, and possible false negatives will work against that.
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There are large amounts of false negatives with the testing anyway, they have to plough on regardless.

If I was involved with trying to manage a local outbreak I am not going to ignore people who may stay asymptomatic.

You arent wrong exactly, and numerous articles and people have made the same point you are making. But its not the whole story and if there are worries about the timing of testing of particular people you really want to test because of their presence at a particular place or their contacts, the best approach would be to test them multiple times over a period of time.
 
In other words, 'whack-a-mole' involes a lot more testing than most of the testing scenarios and procedures we heard about earlier on. When they want to get a grip on an outbreak at a hospital they will test staff & patients regardless of symptoms, we've already heard about that. I dont think its any different with fighting local outbreaks in the community. The risk of complacency through false negatives is deemed to be the lesser of two evils compared to not bothering to test some of the people identified as being at risk of infection via a specific outbreak. This is a step beyond what has been described as being at the heart of the 'test and trace' policy, but its exactly the sort of lengths I think the authorities need to reach for when they are trying to actively suppress a particular outbreak on the ground in a particular place. That the current rules dont accomodate this properly yet is absurd, although it is not surprising that this sort of thing is unresolved at this stage. Hopefully its one of the lessons that will be quickly learned as a result of these local authorities trialling this sort of response.
 
xenon said:
I don't understand. The app said you could ask for a test. You went on to the website and ticked directed from the app and got a test. So it worked?

What's IOW?

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I also don't quite get what you're meant to do if you become ill suspecting Covid19. Self isolate for 14 dyas, of course but. Assuming you're:
A. Not a key worker.
B. Can't drive to a test centre.
C. Live alone.

Do you bother trying to get a test or just ride it out and call 111 if you get really ill?
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The test centre near me is walk in, plenty of non-key workers were there being tested as well.
 
Also in regards to what I've just been saying, in the USA their current pattern of infection and their testing capacity means they are taking that aspect even further:

During Friday's briefing, the White House task force also urged millennials to get tested, even if they are asymptomatic.
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From US has 'serious problem' with virus, says Fauci

Some weeks back when someone from the WHO 'misspoke' and massively downplayed the role of asymptomatic cases, the timing of the error was especially stupid. Because ignoring this aspect likely means leaving some fires to burn and we are now at a stage where various countries might want to start dealing with that previous blindspot, and when available as an approach it should be encouraged.
 
My workplace is reopening next Monday and I'm a bit terrified tbh. I work in a public library which is also a community hub offering other local council services. It is in a very deprived area that has been hit badly by Covid - healthwise and financewise. It is very busy in normal times so we expect to be inundated when we reopen. Lots of measures have been taken to ensure staff's safery - PPE, floor markings, spit shields, controlled entry, appointments only, reduced and prebooked PC availibility, no browsing and no use of toilets. They aim to have fewer than ten customers in the building at the same time. The queue outside is to be managed by just two security staff, and I'm worried we'll get overwhelmed and people will just bum rush security and waltz in expecting to do their usual stuff - people often spend all day in the library and socialise off and online. You can implement all the safety measures being deemed necessary but what you can't account for is customers' behaving and complying with the rules and this is what scares the shit out of me.
Am also concerned about the 'staff bubbles' they are talking about - one week some work from home, the next week they come to work, except some staff (like me) are expected to work both weeks so are in both 'bubbles' - plus the security staff who also do shifts at the fucking hospital. So they're not bubbles at all, are they?
 
Orang Utan said:
Am also concerned about the 'staff bubbles' they are talking about - one week some work from home, the next week they come to work, except some staff (like me) are expected to work both weeks so are in both 'bubbles' - plus the security staff who also do shifts at the fucking hospital. So they're not bubbles at all, are they?
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Yeah that sounds like it has an obvious flaw, double bubble muddle trouble.

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Hearing the required social distance given in meters only is like being in a counterfactual history where Napoleon had managed to conquer Britain.
 
Doodler said:
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.
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you need to catch up with the rest of us. we know what a metre looks like, plus some places even have handy floor stickers to indicate two metre's distance. (we also have a sign at work which says 6 feet instead of two metres for the ancient and the ignorant. Trouble is, it's about 7 feet tall.
 
I'm working on heights in centimetres. Getting there. ;) Distances/speeds in km I'm about there.

I do know what you mean, though. It's about having a feel for things. But I reckon most people have a decent feel for 2 metres.
 
Orang Utan said:
you need to catch up with the rest of us. we know what a metre looks like, plus some places even have handy floor stickers to indicate two metre's distance. (we also have a sign at work which says 6 feet instead of two metres for the ancient and the ignorant. Trouble is, it's about 7 feet tall.
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See? The old measures persist in the subconscious.
 
Well Hancock made a statement to parliament about Leicester.

Non-essential businesses to close, upcoming easing wont be happening in Leicester, those who are shielding will need to continue to do so. And those that had a rather relaxed attitude towards schools should note that he mentioned children playing a particular role in this outbreak and that as a result the schools there will be closing again.
 
I'm partly** with Doodler on this, mainly because of my age and habits ..... I can think in metres, and obviously I've had to a lot more , since 'all this'
But feet are still so much easier for me!!
And stones are so much easier for me than kilos!!

**Only 'partly' though :hmm:,, because the majority of the sort of people who moan about metric, tend (IME) to have the sort of Maily-Telegraph type politics that I, erm, dislike ;)
 
Orang Utan said:
My workplace is reopening next Monday and I'm a bit terrified tbh. I work in a public library which is also a community hub offering other local council services. It is in a very deprived area that has been hit badly by Covid - healthwise and financewise. It is very busy in normal times so we expect to be inundated when we reopen. Lots of measures have been taken to ensure staff's safery - PPE, floor markings, spit shields, controlled entry, appointments only, reduced and prebooked PC availibility, no browsing and no use of toilets. They aim to have fewer than ten customers in the building at the same time. The queue outside is to be managed by just two security staff, and I'm worried we'll get overwhelmed and people will just bum rush security and waltz in expecting to do their usual stuff - people often spend all day in the library and socialise off and online. You can implement all the safety measures being deemed necessary but what you can't account for is customers' behaving and complying with the rules and this is what scares the shit out of me.
Am also concerned about the 'staff bubbles' they are talking about - one week some work from home, the next week they come to work, except some staff (like me) are expected to work both weeks so are in both 'bubbles' - plus the security staff who also do shifts at the fucking hospital. So they're not bubbles at all, are they?
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No time limit on pc use or time in library? No requirement to wipe down surfaces before and after use? Self service only?

I’ve been furloughed and am not sure when I’m returning to work or even if I there is a job to go back to, but we will be doing click and collect with zero browsing and no seating until our students get used to doing things in a way that is safe. We’ll only seating much later in the year.

You can walk out if you feel in danger Health and safety In work section 44 I think.
 
Can anyone help out, work out what "Leicester" means in this context. It's not the city council area because that excludes the surrounding districts like Oadby and Blaby, which are definitely part of the urban conurbation.

If the cunts are giving "Leicester" a different set of rules to work with, perhaps it might be useful to tell people who and where it applies?
 
Doodler said:
Sturgeon 'won't rule out quarantining visitors from England'. This kind of ambiguity may be meant to be understood in different ways by different people.

www.theguardian.com

Sturgeon refuses to rule out Scotland screening visitors from England

First minister’s comments come after public health expert said people arriving from England could also be asked to self-isolate
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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tbh some of what is coming out of Scotland atm smacks of nationalist hubris. Measures are being taken in Leicester. What exactly does Sturgeon want? And she and others are jumping on good recent numbers rather quickly. Also, there are Scotland-sized chunks of England that are doing just as well as Scotland atm. Anywhere is still prone to a big infection incident, including Scotland.
 
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