Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[Shechemite]

Just a thought

 

[planetgeli]

The forcing schools to stay open thing, even if there's legislation passed there's no way it will be enforceable. Are the police going to go door to door rounding up kids and dragging them in? Are headteachers going to be taken to court, and prosecutors argue that some fag-packet law is more important than upholding a duty of care?

This does all suggest that someone has calculated how long a full lockdown can be sustained, come up with a pretty small number (I'd guess four weeks) and then realised that if they start too early they'll have to lift the lockdown at the worst possible time.

I think this is pretty much exactly what is happening. "Let's just get through the exam season...whoops."

Schools can't stay open with no teachers. Wait until we start going off sick en masse.

 

[purenarcotic]

I get we need social distancing but it doesn’t half feel grossly uncomfortable having the Tories manage it. Care only once a day? Changing the law so statutory failings can’t be challenged? I don’t believe those changes will automatically revoke, either.

Christ this is so utterly depressing and shit.

 

[Steel Icarus]

The word on the (education) street is schools and unis to close a week either side of Easter. I think that's a week too late.

 

[Artaxerxes]

What stops people just keeping their kids home if they are worried about eg relatives

Your already liable for fines and punishment if you keep your kids off school unnecessarily.

Going to be some fun legal cases after this is over.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Your already liable for fines and punishment if you keep your kids off school unnecessarily.

Going to be some fun legal cases after this is over.

My lad's coughing and has a temperature. Happy to send him to school if they make him. Then they can arrest him for failing to self isolate. Great rules

 

[SpookyFrank]

Your already liable for fines and punishment if you keep your kids off school unnecessarily.

Going to be some fun legal cases after this is over.

Overheard at reception this week: the local authority won't accept you being pregnant as a reason for your child being late for school.

Fucking madness. As if you can change the facts of the material universe by simply not accepting them.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Given that this has come out in the Times, a publication which could scarcely be further up Johnson's arsehole, what do we think about the chances of this being a fake set of measures designed to make the ones that are actually brought in seem reasonable by comparison?

 

[Shechemite]

Your already liable for fines and punishment if you keep your kids off school unnecessarily.

Going to be some fun legal cases after this is over.

If you want your kids at home keep them at home.

 

[wayward bob]

If you want your kids at home keep them at home.

and quit your job?

 

[The39thStep]

Jet2 cancels all holidays in Spain with immediate effect - LIVE updates

It is understood at least half a dozen flights are affected

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

 

[planetgeli]

Harsh.

Newborn baby tests positive for coronavirus in London

Child’s mother, who was taken to hospital days before birth with suspected pneumonia, also has virus

www.theguardian.com

 

[Grace Johnson]

This thread speculating on the government's strategy is interesting (it is speculation, but looks like he's got it about right to me)

That's really interesting. Thanks for posting that.

 

[sorearm]

Kept daughter off school Thursday and Friday, screw that.

Collected my laptop, working from home from Monday

 

[SpookyFrank]

This thread speculating on the government's strategy is interesting (it is speculation, but looks like he's got it about right to me)

Assuming they're not just making shit up as they go along, this seems plausible. Any number of ways it could backfire horribly of course, but it does seem like an appropriately cold, Cummings-esque methodology. It's clear that public health is being weighed against protecting an already fragile economy with dubious long-term prospects and an unhealthy dependence on precarious work and high rents.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I can definitely see Cummings skim-reading the phrase 'herd immunity' somewhere, assuming that as Earth's greatest polymath genius he instantly grasped the concept in all its subtlety, and deciding to bet the farm on it. Because nobody sees what he sees, the number of people crying out 'this is insane, please stop' probably just makes him more convinced that he's found the Correct Answer to all this.

 

[killer b]

I think the drive to attribute every vainglorious or opaque decision by the government to Dominic Cummings is a mistake tbh.

 

[Fez909]

I think the drive to attribute every vainglorious or opaque decision by the government to Dominic Cummings is a mistake tbh.

You think his chief advisor has no sway on most of the decisions?

If so, what do you think he does?

 

[killer b]

I'm sure he's in the mix, but tapping your nose and going I smell that dastardly cummings! as if Johnson is just some sort of comical flesh puppet, or as if there's no-one else with influence is a mistake is all. There's a lot more going.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I think the drive to attribute every vainglorious or opaque decision by the government to Dominic Cummings is a mistake tbh.

I'm reaching a little bit there I'll grant you. It's just that the actual cabinet is a bunch of people who seem like they'd struggle to tie their own shoes.

 

[quimcunx]

Have the govt said themselves they're being led by behavioral science or is that speculation? I can see there is some value in thinking about behaviours but I'd have thought more emphasis on medical, epidemiological, yes, immunological expertise, along with expertise on what would be least worst for NHS.

Personally I think it would be better to try to minimise infection this year in the hopes there will be some treatments or vaccines next year, or that the virus is less transmittable or fatal by then, while accepting that is not necessarily likely.

Do we even know how long people are immune to a strain of cold coronavirus after having it? If I get 3 lurgies in 3 months are they all different viruses?

 

[agricola]

This thread speculating on the government's strategy is interesting (it is speculation, but looks like he's got it about right to me)

the point about waiting until the NHS is at capacity before bringing further measures is almost delusional, tbh

 

[Shechemite]

The government strategy will be focussed on behaviour modification

It’s not like they’ve been subtle about for the past 40 years

 

[Fez909]

Have the govt said themselves they're being led by behavioral science or is that speculation?

Yes, in the last press conference, Chris Witty said it.

 

[agricola]

I'm sure he's in the mix, but tapping your nose and going I smell that dastardly cummings! as if Johnson is just some sort of comical flesh puppet, or as if there's no-one else with influence is a mistake is all. There's a lot more going.

There is, but the influence of that sort of "we won Brexit, therefore we are cleverer than all yous" people is there for all to see.

 

[Shechemite]

The government strategy will be focussed on behaviour modification

It’s not like they’ve been subtle about for the past 40 years

The state will not act responsibly. We know this. Our focus needs to be on ensuring that their irresponsibility kills and immiserates as few people as possible

 

[Shechemite]

There is, but the influence of that sort of "we won Brexit, therefore we are cleverer than all yous" people is there for all to see.

there could be strategy in being behind the curve, and only ramping things up if and when there’s an outcry (“see, we are being led by you”

 

[Shechemite]

We are going to need to do a lot of this ourselves. That’s how it will be.

We organise to protect our communities and “the vulnerable”. Or we don’t.

at risk of going all mad autistic, it’s a make your mind up time kind of thing

 

[SpookyFrank]

Do we even know how long people are immune to a strain of cold coronavirus after having it?

Depends on mutation rates. Any acquired immunity is only good for as long as it's more or less the same virus going round that you've already fought off. Also it's not just a question of live or die, some people who survive will have permanent respiratory damage that will make them more vlunerable in future.

 

[Shechemite]

And these cunts can stay exactly where they are.

“The girls”. They are in their twenties.

“the staff don’t speak English”. They complain, about the staff in Vietnam looking after them

Coronavirus: London backpackers quarantined in Vietnam

The three Britons tested negative for coronavirus but are being kept in an abandoned hospital.

www.bbc.com