Steel Icarus
we move
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What I do wonder though is they might still be right, and it could be that their model says there's no way to avoid all the deaths, or even flatten the curve enough to make a difference, so short sharp shock is actually the 'best' outcome. As we all [should] know, scientific modelling is not a politics-free zone. If your model weights the economy as equal to human cost, well...
I think we're going in hard on purpose, despite what they're claiming.
The stuff you keep talking about in regards to knowing soon if their numbers are right: the main one to check after the fact is the excess deaths. We know it's variable how many die, depending on how overwhelmed the health service is (the height of the peak and the duration of epidemic over the health service's capability). They're claiming 1% now.
I'm struggling with this atm. I have a clubnight booked next week (I'm running it) that I want to cancel, but everyone else thinks should go ahead.My son arrived home a little while ago to see an ambulance outside our door - very panicked. They brought out a neighbour two doors down who was coughing a lot.
My daughter is asleep at the moment - she's had daily headaches and some heart fluttery stuff (which she's had before - locum suggested eating less chocolate).
I'm fairly sure that she is having tension headaches and some subconcious worry - although she insists she's not panicking (or that, if she is, it's about some other, understandable, unrelated housing etc issues) - but I have held off from making a GP appointment.
It's very small stuff, comparatively (I have done some 5,4,3,2,1 grounding exercises with her and we've sat in my bed watching some easy going programmes etc and I will keep an eye) but it's another consequence, I think, of a lack of direction.
Do you proceed as you normally would, or should you be really mindful of the fact that you're not in normal days, iykwim, and use instinct above what you imagine will be standard advice, so as to avoid hogging the system?
I've found it difficult to balance that with making her feel I am doing shit, too.
I do also get the usefulness that schools have in providing some of that calmness and care, too and I don't mean to be all about the schools, or the kids (I'm still way more worried about their capacity to silently pass it on) just how that branches out through society.
Me too. Wish I could get my dad to take it seriously but he went to the gym this morning. He's been coughing this eveningI'm struggling with this atm. I have a clubnight booked next week (I'm running it) that I want to cancel, but everyone else thinks should go ahead.
I think they think I'm over-reacting, but I'm worried at their lack of concern.
It's hard to know what to do, and even though I've been 'nerding' out on this story since January, I still don't have a clue what the right thing is.
Carrying on as before does not feel right to me, though.
At 72 years old, she'd better hope so.The loathsome Anne Widdecombe's mask has slipped again:
Ann Widdecombe slammed for claims coronavirus will be like AIDS - ‘not as devastating as feared’
In a despicable newspaper column for the Express, former Brexit Party MEP Ann Widdecombe has claimed that coronavirus will be like AIDS...www.theneweuropean.co.uk
38 million people died ffs and she doesn't think that was devastating. I hope she gets it.At 72 years old, she'd better hope so.
I'm struggling with this atm. I have a clubnight booked next week (I'm running it) that I want to cancel, but everyone else thinks should go ahead.
I think they think I'm over-reacting, but I'm worried at their lack of concern.
It's hard to know what to do, and even though I've been 'nerding' out on this story since January, I still don't have a clue what the right thing is.
Carrying on as before does not feel right to me, though.
I have a clubnight booked next week (I'm running it) that I want to cancel,
Carrying on as before does not feel right to me, though.
I'm struggling with this atm. I have a clubnight booked next week (I'm running it) that I want to cancel, but everyone else thinks should go ahead.
I think they think I'm over-reacting, but I'm worried at their lack of concern.
It's hard to know what to do, and even though I've been 'nerding' out on this story since January, I still don't have a clue what the right thing is.
Carrying on as before does not feel right to me, though.
Me too. Wish I could get my dad to take it seriously but he went to the gym this morning. He's been coughing this evening
Suppose I might as well go back to work on Monday - what's the point of self quarantining if he's not?
I think this is changing rapidly tbf. Last week, I think everything you say here was true. But this has escalated very quickly and anybody turning up at work with cold symptoms is going to get sent straight home and asked wtf are you doing. I think the social stigma of not self-isolating is taking a strong hold tbh.Yeah, I think this is partly what's frustrating me about the gov approach. There are arguments for their policies, aspects of them at least. But for their approach to work you need a high degree of fairly complex individual responsibility. One that will vary from person to person depending on their exposure to people who may be vulnerable (and of course sometimes they won't actually know). The advantage of the blanket measures that other countries are imposing is that they're pretty easy to understand, or actually force people to avoid situations where you might get a substantial and rapid outbreak (by banning events etc).
Point being that here there seems to be an expectation that people should just sort that out for themselves... But this is the UK, and we're shit at community cohesion and responsibility. And not very good at absorbing complex messages either... The general response among my friends is 'who gives a shit? just another cold'. And seeing that reflected more widely. I think most wouldn't bother self-isolating, and haven't really had clear messages to do so. I mean I know Johnson has said you should... but it's all couched in terms of 'we advise' and the like, and offset by the blase attitude of his advisors. I'm self-employed (as are most of my friends) so don't know how that's reflected in the wider work environment. But it does just seem weird that most seem to be doing business as usual.
Mrs SI went to work with a sore throat and headache today, nobody said shit, even though she was at Leicester's football ground on Tuesday
I think this is changing rapidly tbf. Last week, I think everything you say here was true. But this has escalated very quickly and anybody turning up at work with cold symptoms is going to get sent straight home and asked wtf are you doing. I think the social stigma of not self-isolating is taking a strong hold tbh.
Nothing to do with anything the govt has done, mind. I think most people are taking their lead from other sources and even other governments.
however, they seem focused on when vunerable people are self isolating, not preparing, stock piling, etc
wankerThese mutual aid groups look promising,
One consequence of this govt's approach is how the lack of central action plays out on the ground. I work at a university and it looked like yesterday we were seeing a sector wide shift towards closing down/moving things online. Found out today my institution are not closing and have had a series of email about continuing the 'business critical' aspects of the work (ffs). So, some universities have staff working from home but essentially self isolating, whereas we are trooping in... anxious about risks etc. Similarly, I got a phone call from my Mum's care home last night to say they were in lockdown, so no visitors. Then got another call today to say they are not. In such circumstances, how can you have the slightest bit of confidence that staff working there haven't got undiagnosed virus (they need the money and, hey, we ain't fucking testing anyway!). The woman who rang me said they were getting no advice. This really is a strategy of letting it play out/let it rip.