danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Absolutely.
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Could definitely see that happening but that's not tallying with the stuff I'm seeing on a daily basis and people in London and other cities who are (so far) taking this much more seriously - and having the lockdown enforced much more seriously too
I think if you find yourself having this kind of reaction, you might need to have a gentle word with yourself.
Not one pence extra for disabled and sick people, despite having extra costs, dispensable?
elbows
Well-Known Member
No, my repeated swipes at your stance in recent days have been quite necessary for me, I could not keep quiet about your dangerous bullshit any longer.
And stop using the word magic like that - you only started doing it after I criticised your magical liberal bullshit stance, get over it.
There will probably be a time for subtle nuances of policy later on, and you can probably find a place in that scene that I wont call dangerous. Because the timing will be more appropriately in tune with the stage our epidemic is at by then. But I think you allowed your instincts and beliefs to cloud your judgement on this stuff at just the wrong time, at just the time that we needed a very hard application of the brakes, a time that has no place for so many exceptions that the whole thing ends up resembling a colander rather than a shield.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Closing parks piecemeal and at random while telling people they can still excercise outdoors using the much reduced space now available in which to do so is a classic example of how incoherent all these measures are. And yet most people are still trying to adhere to them.
No, people haven't adjusted overnight nor have they done so 100% effectively, but name me one major change in human behaviour that happened overnight and with 100% of the population playing along? What we've actually seen is the fastest, largest-scale and most comprehensive change in human behaviour possibly ever. Only someone who had never met a human would be surprised or angry about the fact we haven't yet hit 100%. It's only been two fucking weeks. Two miserable and terrifying weeks for a lot of people. And still, still society is functioning despite this vast upheaval. Focus on that for fuck's sake, for your own sanity if not for the fact I'm sick of hearing about what cunts people are.
e2a: Not at you littlebabyjesus, just for the benefit of the room at large.
e3a: Also, threatening to prevent outdoor excercise if people excercise outdoors is batshit insane. Obviously if everyone thinks that this could be the last day they see sunlight for two months, everyone will go outside. I'm convinced this is a feature, not a bug and that the decision to tighten restrictions has already been made. I'm also convinced that if that happens the relevant data will not show a significant improvement in the situation as a result, when this is all picked apart months or years down the line.
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an ting!
Frightening to think about it.
Joe anderson Liverpool Mayor, has had death threats, as have others, engineers screamed at, but i get your point
maomao
普費斯
That's the whole point. Get everyone angry at cyclists rather than the scum that have been screwing the NHS for the last decade and longer. So that when they ban us from going out for exercise it'll be our fault for being naughty not theirs for bringing in an ill-defined lockdown too late.
Allowances should be made for people who don't have access to any outside space in their home. There are families of four crammed into one and two bedroom flats throughout London. No-one in my house except me has left the building in 16 days but if we didn't have a garden we'd be in the park keeping our distance daily.
This isn't true - everywhere people are complaining about how strict their particular regime is, complaining about their neighbours flouting it, and flouting it.
Which isn't to say that some of this stuff is UK specific, and to do with poor communication from the government - but those big posters we were all laughing at from China telling people not to visit their in-laws, the massive figures for arrests in italy are all evidence of this problem existing elsewhere. It's people, not just us.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Yes it is true.
I have heard absolutely zero complaints here - and if there are any - they are not making a ripple amongst my friends, colleagues or on my social media. There have been breaches and arrests - but the difference between here and the UK is the debate amongst the majority that is going on. You are having one. We aren't.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
It is possible to point at both...
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
I'm in Tesco right now and can confirm there are loads of idiots doing this.Esp. when fuckwits stop in the middle of the aisle to check their bloody phone.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Anecodtally London seems to be worse than everywhere else.
Probably completely unrelated to the fact London is the most densely populated part of the country and the basic maths of avoiding everyone is highly unfavourable.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
You weren't threatening the shoot the government though.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Worth nothing that here they are going to loosen the lockdown as things improve. Because that's obviously the right way to do it. Do your tough lockdown first and then ease it up and let people go for walks bit-by-bit once you've passed the peak.
It makes total sense to do it this way. I've been so surprised by the debate on here. This is the place where I'd have most faith in people's attitudes.
It makes total sense to do it this way. I've been so surprised by the debate on here. This is the place where I'd have most faith in people's attitudes.
editor
hiraethified
Interesting piece here:
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Opinion: Was Lambeth right to close Brockwell Park today (Sun 5th April)?
Yesterday, Lambeth Council announced that it was closing Brockwell Park today in response to what it described as “unacceptable” behaviour from a minority who were “sunbathing or…
www.brixtonbuzz.com
teqniq
DisMembered
from
Well, there's a thing:
Full list of MPs who voted against giving nurses and firefighters 'fair' pay rise
Tories and DUP vote against Labour ammendment to end 1% public sector annual pay increase cap.
www.ibtimes.co.uk
Plumdaff
joy in people
I just chafe against the hypocrisy of focusing on parks (living in an inner city terrace I'll be in much closer proximity to my neighbours if we're stuck using only our backyards for the foreseeable) when much more obvious vectors of infection such as factory and supermarket work remain unpoliced. Let's criminalise making people work without social distancing and PPE. But stopping people having a walk doesn't affect profits.
nyxx
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Has it occurred to you that many others don’t have a communal garden to go to.
That the square foot area people live in might be smaller. walls thinner. windows smaller.
That the number of people that area is shared with makes a huge difference.
Sorry this probably comes off as overly harsh but consider that my neighbours in a tower block only last year got rehoused from a one bedroom flat, family of 4. After 7 years. No communal gardens.
Obviously the number of people dying is inversely correlated to how small your home is. If you live in a room 2m square. Stay in it.
There have been significant incidents of social unrest in the South Of italy according to the Observer,
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yes, and the Spanish government have already been trying to give people hope and hints about that next stage for them too. Talk of what the new normal will look like there, involving masks.
I very much look forward to the time when things can be loosened here too. When its done reasonably and at the right time, I will cheer it. This is not the right moment for that here, and I do recall that Italy tightened things further before they contemplated going in the other direction, eg I seem to remember a day arrived where they banned the use of vending machines and something else at the same time?
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Interesting piece here:
Opinion: Was Lambeth right to close Brockwell Park today (Sun 5th April)?
Yesterday, Lambeth Council announced that it was closing Brockwell Park today in response to what it described as “unacceptable” behaviour from a minority who were “sunbathing or…
I think that British people's behaviour in this crisis is possibly the culmination of decades of the type of politics we've had. Enough of the population feel so little solidarity with others that they're happy to act in the way that suits them.
Of course, other theories are available - but I feel like there's at least some truth in that.
There's an interesting comparison of the different measures taken across Europe here: Europe’s coronavirus lockdown measures compared
Assuming it's correct only Spain has banned exercise completely, and even then it seems some groups are exempt.
Assuming it's correct only Spain has banned exercise completely, and even then it seems some groups are exempt.
i think her speech was to be valuable, but it now looks like it is partly Govt led, maybe by that creep, Isaac Levido
nyxx
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Please note my edit.
I’m not talking about my own situation, I’m addressing treelover’s question of how or why it might be more of a challenge for others.
Also note I am not advocating that people flout the lockdown. I’m addressing the fact that it puts pressure on people in different ways depending on their circumstances.
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