Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Bright sunshine and warm weather is likely not the best partner for a mass vaccination program, particularly when you're now into younger age cohorts who have been at much lower risk of getting ill from covid, well up until now anyway. I suspect many an appointment has been missed because there is something more fun going on with friends in the sunshine.
I'm a little surprised they've not brought the over 40's second jabs forward yet, there was some suggestion they may. Most of this age cohort (like me) will have had AZ and as I understand it the country's supply of that is much greater than pz and Moderna and they're not giving it out for first jabs now. Lets use it.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
From what I can gather there's been massive and enthusiastic take up of vaccine bookings amongst younger people. I don't see any reason to think many will miss those appointment just because it's sunny.
On the second bit I'm 42 and I moved mine up several weeks the other day so you can do it.
PursuedByBears
Go stick your head in a pig
I've moved my 2nd jab forward 3 weeks (45 & AZ). You can do this if you booked via the NHS website, it looks like this hasn't been publicised though.
Yeah, its a guess and its based upon one incident but when I had my 1st jab there was over 50 other people at the centre queing and waiting their turn. When my partner went a few weeks later to the same centre the weather had changed to the sunshine we have now and there were less than 5 people there for their jab. Obviously a tiny snapshot like that doesn't mean much but I can think back to how me and my mates would have been at that age plus add in the terrible May weather and terrible year in general.
Oh, seems like the sort of thing the government could have made a bigger deal of.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Still can’t do this - Pfizer, aged 39, Devon. I keep trying every few days but can’t move it from 11 weeks after jab 1.
I volunteer at my local vax centre. On any given day, throughout my time there (I started in December) there are ebbs and flows - at one moment there might be a massive queue, an hour later it might be almost empty.
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elbows
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I'm not following Hancocks testimony properly and I'm hoping not to post too much today.
But I'll point out this bit from a BBC artile because of my interest in hosptai-acquired COVID and authorities concerns about it which they mostly downplayed publicly at the time.
From Matt Hancock: I knew Dominic Cummings wanted PM to sack me
But I'll point out this bit from a BBC artile because of my interest in hosptai-acquired COVID and authorities concerns about it which they mostly downplayed publicly at the time.
From Matt Hancock: I knew Dominic Cummings wanted PM to sack me
Yeah, quite a few of my friends have just done this.
Your age is the key factor here. Most of the us 40+ lot will have had az which they have a good stock of and also the most robust supply chain.
As I understand it the there isn't really a stock of pz and Moderna and what is received each week is used each week. In this case the 1st jabs will remain the priority for the time being or unless supplies increase and they feel confident they can bring 2nd jabs forward without creating shortages for 1st jabbers.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Yeah mine was AZ so that would fit.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Bollocks
elbows
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Although I'm not watching the Hancock appearance before the committee I see that Labour MP Graham Stringer has again demonstrated what a piece of shit he is in this pandemic.
In previous committee meetings it became clear he was skeptical about the need for lockdowns, especially when the second wave was growing in his part of the country. He was the only Labour MP to vote against stronger restrictions in the North West last October. There are probably other examples I have missed. His previous performance in the committee I mentioned caused someone here on the forum to wonder at the time whether he was drunk.
Anyway today he decided to focus on the fact that some people on SAGEs behavioural group, SPI-B, were hand-wringing in quotes they gave to some book, about their use of fear to encourage public compliance when lockdowns etc were first kicking in here. The sort of thing the Telegraph like to quack on about due to their own stance on lockdown. Now this is an interesting subject that is worthy of discussion, because many people here will be well used to inappropriate use of fear by government & media partners to deal with a host of issues and behaviours. But of course I believe that such things were rather necessary at times in this pandemic, since behaviour is key and when people dont get it, lots of extra deaths occur. This will be an issue again now as we face the threats to public health that this latest wave offer. All the same I do study propaganda in as many forms as I can manage, and it was not lost on me how this stuff was done via the media in not very subtle ways at key moments via the media - some of the messageing was turned on and off rather abruptly. But given the actual realities, in this pandemic I broadly supported such messaging.
Anyway I'm hardly surprised that Stringer is shit in this pandemic. He was chair of Manchester Airport plc briefly in the 1990s. He is heavily linked to climate change denialism. In 2009 he described dyslexia as a cruel hoax. And this is just the most obvious stuff that can be discovered via a brief look at his wikipedia entry.
Fuck you Graham Stringer, you are on my pandemic wall of shame.
He is such a shithead that I've had to side with Hancock on this one!
(thats from 12:37 BBC live updates page entry https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-57424534 )
In previous committee meetings it became clear he was skeptical about the need for lockdowns, especially when the second wave was growing in his part of the country. He was the only Labour MP to vote against stronger restrictions in the North West last October. There are probably other examples I have missed. His previous performance in the committee I mentioned caused someone here on the forum to wonder at the time whether he was drunk.
Anyway today he decided to focus on the fact that some people on SAGEs behavioural group, SPI-B, were hand-wringing in quotes they gave to some book, about their use of fear to encourage public compliance when lockdowns etc were first kicking in here. The sort of thing the Telegraph like to quack on about due to their own stance on lockdown. Now this is an interesting subject that is worthy of discussion, because many people here will be well used to inappropriate use of fear by government & media partners to deal with a host of issues and behaviours. But of course I believe that such things were rather necessary at times in this pandemic, since behaviour is key and when people dont get it, lots of extra deaths occur. This will be an issue again now as we face the threats to public health that this latest wave offer. All the same I do study propaganda in as many forms as I can manage, and it was not lost on me how this stuff was done via the media in not very subtle ways at key moments via the media - some of the messageing was turned on and off rather abruptly. But given the actual realities, in this pandemic I broadly supported such messaging.
Anyway I'm hardly surprised that Stringer is shit in this pandemic. He was chair of Manchester Airport plc briefly in the 1990s. He is heavily linked to climate change denialism. In 2009 he described dyslexia as a cruel hoax. And this is just the most obvious stuff that can be discovered via a brief look at his wikipedia entry.
Fuck you Graham Stringer, you are on my pandemic wall of shame.
He is such a shithead that I've had to side with Hancock on this one!
(thats from 12:37 BBC live updates page entry https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-57424534 )
20Bees
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The take-up rate for staff to have lateral flow tests at work (supermarket) has plummeted and I imagine it will be wound up before long. I aim for twice a week as I look after a grandson who goes to day nursery, and shuttles between his separated working parents, but I also got a pack of tests from the local chemist so if there’s nobody available to test me during my shift, I can do one at home instead.
I wonder how many home tests that have been handed out at doorsteps are being done accurately though.
elbows
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Many unwise things are happening that are a poor match for the new variant and the current stage of things.
I've just begun to look at various sources of mobility data. Only done Apples so far, and oh dear! Perhaps others who are interested could look into other sources such as Google and report back at some point in the coming days? I got annoyed with Googles reports when I tried to look myself, because most fo the graphs I found didnt go back many months, so there was a lack of broader pandemic context.
From COVID‑19 - Mobility Trends Reports - Apple where people can also drill down further in terms of locations if desired.
wtfftw
melting like a toastie
There's some graph/maps here
ourworldindata.org
Google Mobility Trends: How has the pandemic changed the movement of people around the world?
Data tracking public mobility trends over the pandemic
ourworldindata.org
elbows
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Chers, thats better than Googles own official reports that I looked at because it covers the full timespan. Their own reports are useful for looking at the more recent stuff by individual city, county etc. https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
wtfftw
melting like a toastie
There's also this way of looking at the google data
This is just hyperbole though isn't it?
There are questions enough about the wisdom of continuing trials with large sporting and other events without accusing everyone being there of being "absolutely smashed" which of course makes them irresponsible and gives us someone to blame. Like I've said before, we've had over a year of street protest after street protest which many here supported. Even being described as essential work. Some people try and enjoy themselves within the rules and its back to this stuff again.
A time for cool heads.
ETA: I've said this before but when the virus situation is less scary I'm going to start a thread on some of the demonization I've seen in the last year. I think its very interesting.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
Very slightly lower number of new cases reported today, at 7,393.
However, hospital admissions for the 7 days up to 6th of June are now showing as being up by +7.1%, compared to the pervious 7-days.
Total patients in hospital are now back over 1,000 again.
However, hospital admissions for the 7 days up to 6th of June are now showing as being up by +7.1%, compared to the pervious 7-days.
Total patients in hospital are now back over 1,000 again.
elbows
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Age/sex pyramids for vaccine uptake in England from this weeks PHE surveillance report.
elbows
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I know I sometimes point out the better aspects of the Scottish governments pandemic handling and communication, but they still arent that impressiveEdinburgh test positivity rate up to 5.6% today - which I think is the second highest in Scotland after Dundee
I cant say the news some days ago about the trams in Edinburgh returning to normal service for the first time in the pandemic was good news.
Edinburgh trams resume normal service amid growing demand
Edinburgh's trams are operating every seven minutes throughout the day for the first time in more than a year.
www.bbc.co.uk
I'm finding the situation in Bolton interesting. Covid: Things are looking up in Bolton, eye of the variant storm
Obviously the situation there is still very precarious and its hard to see how that scale of operation could be delivered in more than a handful of areas at any one time. The thing that strikes me is though the initial signs are that they have managed to stamp on the virus as it was getting out of control.
Thinking back to all the local lockdowns and Johnson going on about whack a mole this is the only time I can think of which appears to have had any success.
I know logistically large walk-in vaccination centres are difficult to say the least. I just think there is something in it to mop up all those who for whatever reason have missed the standard booking process.
Obviously the situation there is still very precarious and its hard to see how that scale of operation could be delivered in more than a handful of areas at any one time. The thing that strikes me is though the initial signs are that they have managed to stamp on the virus as it was getting out of control.
Thinking back to all the local lockdowns and Johnson going on about whack a mole this is the only time I can think of which appears to have had any success.
I know logistically large walk-in vaccination centres are difficult to say the least. I just think there is something in it to mop up all those who for whatever reason have missed the standard booking process.
elbows
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I wont have much to say about Bolton for ages, because I need to give it much longer to see if their gains hold.
Its not even impossible to think that the patterns seen there so far could be replicated elsewhere even if the capacity to manage to situation proactively is not available everywhere else that will need it. However this is just one possibility, on the much happier side of possible wave prospects. It would be a demonstration that vaccines are able to carry the weight asked of them at this time. I dont rule it out, but its not something I would confidently claim.
Certainly its not a surprise that boots on the ground can make a real difference when it comes to testing etc.
Its not even impossible to think that the patterns seen there so far could be replicated elsewhere even if the capacity to manage to situation proactively is not available everywhere else that will need it. However this is just one possibility, on the much happier side of possible wave prospects. It would be a demonstration that vaccines are able to carry the weight asked of them at this time. I dont rule it out, but its not something I would confidently claim.
Certainly its not a surprise that boots on the ground can make a real difference when it comes to testing etc.
elbows
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For example I will be keeping a close age on the age-group heatmap for Bolton. I can see why the media make claims about the age groups most involved in this wave so far, but this is one area where it could be easy to reach the wrong conclusions by making them too early. I have to force myself to wait longer to see if cases still trickle up the ages. Second chart down on this page:
edit to add that I've poined out before that Blackburn with Darwens heat chart is worse than Boltons in that respect. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Blackburn with Darwen
edit to add that I've poined out before that Blackburn with Darwens heat chart is worse than Boltons in that respect. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Blackburn with Darwen
elbows
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Plus it may be possible that we've caught certain stages of early outbreaks, ie in school aged people, earlier than in the previous wave due to the current testing regime. This might end up being part of good news in regards how this wave pans out, but it could also lead into a false sense of what stage we are at and what sort of stages may be yet to come.
Reading Dr Gurdasani's tweets, it seems like the government just wants to revise the history of what happened. Perhaps that's not surprising at all.
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