Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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I don't think it's really a media thing tbh. more to do with how a population reacts en masse to an existential threat, as discussed loads last spring when the tories were pushing 50% on the polls.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
It's not from everywhere, only countries on the red list. And funnily enough there aren't that many people from the UK backpacking around the world atm, so it's not really an issue I'd expect.
prunus
Tick tock.
You don’t get to fly back home then. Afaiui you have to have your quarantine hotel booked and paid for before you’re allowed to travel.
I saw some people on the news arriving at Heathrow who looked pretty confused by the news they'd be shelling out for 10 days stay in a shitty business motel next to the airport. Once again, this is probably just due to total lack of joined up communication on the Govt's part.
Lynn, there are plenty of backpackers still stranded abroad btw.
miss direct
misfungled
Wonder what happens if you're getting deported back to the UK.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The guidance is that you have to book the hotel in advance before you fly, book the two covid tests , fill in the locator form and have proof of a negative test not more than 72 hours before you fly
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Nothing in itself you have to declare if you’ve been in a red country in the previous 10 days .If you have then it’s the hotel . Obviously some might want to take a risk but if they are found out it’s either a fine or custodial sentence . That’s what the 10 years in jail thing was brought into deter.
He's off again.
Wetherspoons calls for pubs to reopen 'to save jobs'
The chairman of the chain is calling for pubs to reopen at the same time as non-essential shops.www.bbc.co.uk
When the time is not-Tory right, I'd be in full-on agreement with all pubs** reopening
-- except his! 
(**in combination with all Tim Martin's pubs being shut down indefinitely, obvs!
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I think the government are telling us what we want to hear with the easing of lockdown soon but I think for many of us we are seeing what the scientists say as well, as they are gonna tell us what we need to hear no matter the disappointment. I just hope they keep the level of jabs up as I can see this easing off after lockdown.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
On the tories poll ratings there's an apparent contradiction between most people you talk to saying it's been a fuck up and the scumbags still being ahead in the polls. In reality though there's just the tories and their management along with a general feeling of things are shit but there's no alternative. It's not just that Labour haven't featured in the covid debate - they haven't - it's that they haven't featured at all. Labour have said just about nothing at all since the height of theresa may's brexit problems and even then the thing they were saying was simply 'look at the chaos'. They had some absurd hedged formulation about brexit and 2nd votes, which was blown away by johnson having something to say in 2019. Since then Labour have nothing to say about anything. In fact they've ceased to be a body who people expect to have anything to say full stop.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
It's difficult though. When Corbyn was in there were questions "why isn't Labour talking about this?". Well they were but they just weren't being reported.
I'm sure the same is true now. They're talking about it, but the Sun and Mail and Express and Telegraph and Times and Sunday * just aren't reporting it because they have their own agenda.
I'm sure the same is true now. They're talking about it, but the Sun and Mail and Express and Telegraph and Times and Sunday * just aren't reporting it because they have their own agenda.
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
Fly to Dublin, get a flight from there to England. The Irish media has been up in arms about the amount of british travellers doing this.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Johnson can say different things at this point the papers will a) give him a pass and b) encourage everyone to do the wrong thing while c) the general public who vote conservative will continue doing what they like
He's laughing.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
BIB - I doubt there will be any easing off, they are still rolling out vaccination centres to cope with the increasing supply of vaccines, the Moderna vaccine supplies are due to start arriving in March, and both supplies of the Pfizer & Oxford/AZ ones are increasing too.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Surely Ireland could make this redundant by instigating a similar quarantine system.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Haven't the Irish government put any restrictions on who can enter and from where then?
Cid
Proper break this time
At this point, a year in, I can't say I have much sympathy for people who have been travelling and aren't keeping on top of changes to regulations.
I'd forgotten that one had been approved too.
How's the J&J one doing on that path, anyone know?
Well don't know about the UK but speculation for some time in March by the US FDA.
Johnson & Johnson’s Vaccine Updates: When Will The Shot Be Available For Use?
Johnson & Johnson’s Covid-19 vaccine is one of the most closely watched shots against the novel coronavirus, given that it is backed by one of the world’s largest pharma companies and is expected to require only a single dose. Here’s a quick rundown of the expected timeline for the vaccine’s...
www.forbes.com
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flypanam
Sausage to fortune
They have. There is a list of countries from which travel is discouraged. I think the issue is with people transferring to connecting flights.
That does sound promising
elbows
Well-Known Member
I believe its been indicated that we should expect the rate of 1st doses to struggle to maintain its pace at some point because 2nd doses will start to become a larger part of the mix. Also I recall moaning about the way some BBC etc articles about 'Pfizer shortages for Europe' simply omitted to mention whether this widespread manufacturing issue would affect UK supplies for a time. But then somewhat recently Scotland said it would, and I believe I even saw a recent BBC article that mentioned in passing that Pfizer supplies to England would be affected too.
I am impressed with the number of doses given so far, and the above detail is not supposed to be a gloomy message about our future prospects. I'm just acknowledging that I'm expecting a few bumps in the road in the next phase, but I still expect overall progress to keep on building, just with somewhat affected rates at times.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Fair enough, though there should be a lesson for sensible Keith in there. Repudiating Corbyn hasn't worked in terms of getting the press on its side. This isn't a moment like the mid 90s when the right wing press were ready to switch to team B.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I do understand why they havent gone for the zero covid approach but when Nick Triggle writes an article explaining and justifying the approach, some groaning is inevitable.
I didnt realise that New Zealand doesnt count as a post-war democracy. And I see no comparison of the costs of a zero covid approach with short, sharp lockdowns, and the long lockdowns we had to endure as a result of our strategy.
How many of them have even tried?
Also I note that the article points out the mutation dangers of building population immunity at a time when levels of the virus are high, but the dots arent joined, and there isnt really any mention of the idea of 'low covid' rather than zero covid, in order to reduce such risks.
As usual I will not be driving myself crazy about this issue because there has never been any reason to think they would try this approach, the limits to their ambition are clear and the race towards business as usual is on via mass vaccination. And I dont really want things to fail in a way that would bring this issue back to the table.
Anyway he then goes on about the same sort of thing as Whitty did the other day, the de-risking ov Covid. Very much part of the business as usual approach, I do understand where this comes from and it was always the most likely end game as far as establishment thinking in this country goes. His description covers the amount of flu death our society doesnt seem to care much about, and also includes clues about a new element of inequality that may make itself felt as a result of the business as usual approach.
Its one thing to live with them. Its quite another to keep voting for them!
Covid: Why goal is to live with the virus - not fight it
Ministers want to turn Covid-19 into a manageable illness like flu. Why? And is this possible?
www.bbc.co.uk
I didnt realise that New Zealand doesnt count as a post-war democracy. And I see no comparison of the costs of a zero covid approach with short, sharp lockdowns, and the long lockdowns we had to endure as a result of our strategy.
How many of them have even tried?
Also I note that the article points out the mutation dangers of building population immunity at a time when levels of the virus are high, but the dots arent joined, and there isnt really any mention of the idea of 'low covid' rather than zero covid, in order to reduce such risks.
As usual I will not be driving myself crazy about this issue because there has never been any reason to think they would try this approach, the limits to their ambition are clear and the race towards business as usual is on via mass vaccination. And I dont really want things to fail in a way that would bring this issue back to the table.
Anyway he then goes on about the same sort of thing as Whitty did the other day, the de-risking ov Covid. Very much part of the business as usual approach, I do understand where this comes from and it was always the most likely end game as far as establishment thinking in this country goes. His description covers the amount of flu death our society doesnt seem to care much about, and also includes clues about a new element of inequality that may make itself felt as a result of the business as usual approach.
Its one thing to live with them. Its quite another to keep voting for them!
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I don't think NZ has decided it's going for zero covid in the long term though has it? It's only a temporary approach.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yes I've gone on about that before. Its a mixed approach that involves vaccination, with some important detail to be determined. This doesnt change the fact they took a very different approach during the acute phase of the pandemic, and the article is uninterested in discussing a blended approach. But as I already acknowledged its too late to attempt that here unless the current plan fails and leave them little choice, which I hardly consider to be the most likely outcome.
Why am I even bothering to discuss the article now given that I currently think zero covid is a lost cause politically? Probably because we've only been treated to such articles now that we are safely past the point where our approach offered little but death and u-turns. They didnt want a proper debate about this stuff when there were more compelling reasons to go for zero covid, when vaccines were not in sight. I am allowed to shake my head in disgust about that. The love of a rigged game is alive and well.
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