I don't think it's really a media thing tbh. more to do with how a population reacts en masse to an existential threat, as discussed loads last spring when the tories were pushing 50% on the polls.TBF given how that whole issue has been reported in the media, why is anyone surprised?
how does this quarantine thing work if you cant afford 1750 quid? in my younger days i'd often go backpacking in far flung places and fly back home with approximately, oh £5 in my pocket.
how do they manage that then?
how does this quarantine thing work if you cant afford 1750 quid? in my younger days i'd often go backpacking in far flung places and fly back home with approximately, oh £5 in my pocket.
how do they manage that then?
You don’t get to fly back home then. Afaiui you have to have your quarantine hotel booked and paid for before you’re allowed to travel.
The guidance is that you have to book the hotel in advance before you fly, book the two covid tests , fill in the locator form and have proof of a negative test not more than 72 hours before you flyI saw some people on the news arriving at Heathrow who looked pretty confused by the news they'd be shelling out for 10 days stay in a shitty business motel next to the airport. Once again, this is probably just due to total lack of joined up communication on the Govt's part.
Lynn, there are plenty of backpackers still stranded abroad btw.
Nothing in itself you have to declare if you’ve been in a red country in the previous 10 days .If you have then it’s the hotel . Obviously some might want to take a risk but if they are found out it’s either a fine or custodial sentence . That’s what the 10 years in jail thing was brought into deter.What's stopping you flying from a red country to a non-red country and then just connecting straight through to the UK?
He's off again.
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I think the government are telling us what we want to hear with the easing of lockdown soon but I think for many of us we are seeing what the scientists say as well, as they are gonna tell us what we need to hear no matter the disappointment. I just hope they keep the level of jabs up as I can see this easing off after lockdown.So Johnson seems to be making more of the right noises these days, but one is still not inspired with any confidence that he and his chums won't rush to do all the wrong things
Fly to Dublin, get a flight from there to England. The Irish media has been up in arms about the amount of british travellers doing this.Nothing in itself you have to declare if you’ve been in a red country in the previous 10 days .If you have then it’s the hotel . Obviously some might want to take a risk but if they are found out it’s either a fine or custodial sentence . That’s what the 10 years in jail thing was brought into deter.
So Johnson seems to be making more of the right noises these days, but one is still not inspired with any confidence that he and his chums won't rush to do all the wrong things
I think the government are telling us what we want to hear with the easing of lockdown soon but I think for many of us we are seeing what the scientists say as well, as they are gonna tell us what we need to hear no matter the disappointment. I just hope they keep the level of jabs up as I can see this easing off after lockdown.
Surely Ireland could make this redundant by instigating a similar quarantine system.Fly to Dublin, get a flight from there to England. The Irish media has been up in arms about the amount of british travellers doing this.
Haven't the Irish government put any restrictions on who can enter and from where then?Fly to Dublin, get a flight from there to England. The Irish media has been up in arms about the amount of british travellers doing this.
I saw some people on the news arriving at Heathrow who looked pretty confused by the news they'd be shelling out for 10 days stay in a shitty business motel next to the airport. Once again, this is probably just due to total lack of joined up communication on the Govt's part.
Lynn, there are plenty of backpackers still stranded abroad btw.
BIB - I doubt there will be any easing off, they are still rolling out vaccination centres to cope with the increasing supply of vaccines, the Moderna vaccine supplies are due to start arriving in March, and both supplies of the Pfizer & Oxford/AZ ones are increasing too.
They have. There is a list of countries from which travel is discouraged. I think the issue is with people transferring to connecting flights.Haven't the Irish government put any restrictions on who can enter and from where then?
That does sound promisingBIB - I doubt there will be any easing off, they are still rolling out vaccination centres to cope with the increasing supply of vaccines, the Moderna vaccine supplies are due to start arriving in March, and both supplies of the Pfizer & Oxford/AZ ones are increasing too.
BIB - I doubt there will be any easing off, they are still rolling out vaccination centres to cope with the increasing supply of vaccines, the Moderna vaccine supplies are due to start arriving in March, and both supplies of the Pfizer & Oxford/AZ ones are increasing too.
Fair enough, though there should be a lesson for sensible Keith in there. Repudiating Corbyn hasn't worked in terms of getting the press on its side. This isn't a moment like the mid 90s when the right wing press were ready to switch to team B.It's difficult though. When Corbyn was in there were questions "why isn't Labour talking about this?". Well they were but they just weren't being reported.
I'm sure the same is true now. They're talking about it, but the Sun and Mail and Express and Telegraph and Times and Sunday * just aren't reporting it because they have their own agenda.
It maybe a tantalising prospect, but one that many believe is out of reach or would require such sustained restrictions that the economic and social costs would be huge. "Zero Covid is not compatible with the individual rights and freedoms that characterise post-war democracies," says Prof Francois Balloux, director of University College London's Genetics Institute.
But no country which has seen the virus spread in the way it has in the UK has actually managed to then suppress it to the point of elimination.
It suggests we can get to the point - in the word's of England's chief medical adviser Prof Chris Whitty - where we "de-risk" Covid.
That does not mean no-one will die. Prof Whitty has talked about getting to a "tolerable" level of death. And certainly many expect next winter will be challenging with particular concern the most deprived communities will be hit hardest amid fears vaccination uptake has been lowest in these areas.
But it is easy to forget that flu can also kill on quite a scale. Back in 2017-18, more than 20,000 people died from it.
It was a harsh, cold winter and deaths from other causes such as heart disease and dementia rose too, pushing excess winter deaths close to 50,000. Society barely blinked.
"We have lived alongside viruses for millennia", says Prof Robert Dingwall, a member of the government's New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Group. "We will do the same with Covid."
I didnt realise that New Zealand doesnt count as a post-war democracy. And I see no comparison of the costs of a zero covid approach with short, sharp lockdowns, and the long lockdowns we had to endure as a result of our strategy.
I don't think NZ has decided it's going for zero covid in the long term though has it? It's only a temporary approach.