Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[Louis MacNeice]

With Andrew and some others I suppose what I'm really having trouble with is why people who seem in favour of some left social democratic politics don't put their shoulder to the wheel and get with Jez... if it's really what you want then go for it. Andy B isn't going to give you what you want.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

If it's still all out there, then why can't you give me an example of 'it'? I'm all for democracy that works at a community level, but how can we get rid of the tory government other than by Labour winning a general election?

The only things I've seen in my 53 years which seem to approach democracy (i.e the expressed will of the majority of the electorate...let alone he people) haven't been achieved through UK electoralism; if that is the extent of your vision then I'll leave you to it.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Andrew Hertford]

Go back and read what I said - if you think the only way that we can get rid of the Tories in 2020 is the LP, then you don't realise how unlikely that is to happen.

Why would Labour under popular leadership be so unlikely to win a general election?

I'm still waiting to hear an alternative way of getting rid of the tories.... from anyone on here.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why would Labour under a popular leadership be so unlikely a general election?

they are not a general election and you should know this by now.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

oops!

 

[SpackleFrog]

Why would Labour under popular leadership be so unlikely to win a general election?

I'm still waiting to hear an alternative way of getting rid of the tories.... from anyone on here.

Corbyn is as popular as the Labour leadership is gonna get, you fucking moron.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why would Labour under popular leadership be so unlikely to win a general election?

I'm still waiting to hear an alternative way of getting rid of the tories.... from anyone on here.

quick edit i see. but i have you number, sonny jim.

 

[ska invita]

This amused me - not strictly medias fault on this:

Ex-St Helens MP attacks Corbyn supporters who eat ‘croissants for breakfast’

Liverpool-born Dave Watts, now Baron Watts of Ravenhead, who was replaced by Conor McGinn at the last election, said: “My advice to my own party leadership is that they should take less notice of the London-centric hard left political class who sit around in their £1 million mansions eating their croissants at breakfast and seeking to lay the foundations for a socialist revolution.

Spoiler: punchline

 

[stethoscope]

Is this the usual Hertford 'I'm with Corbyn politically but I want Labour in power' so will therefore accept any leader who can take them there even though that in reality that means voting in someone who will do the same as the Tories but a little less harshly/quickly?!

 

[Pickman's model]

Is this the usual Hertford 'I'm with Corbyn politically but I want Labour in power' so will therefore accept any leader who can take them there even though that in reality that means voting in someone who will do the same as the Tories but a little less harshly/quickly?!

this is the usual Andrew Hertford fuckwittery, yes.

 

[nino_savatte]

Labour don't need to become 'Blairite' again to win in 2020, but they do need to replace Corbyn.

You're not all there are you?

 

[Andrew Hertford]

Corbyn is as popular as the Labour leadership is gonna get, you fucking moron.

Sure he's popular for his honesty and integrity, but can you honestly say that enough people are going to vote for him in 2020 to put Labour in power?

 

[DotCommunist]

 

[gosub]

Corbyn is as popular as the Labour leadership is gonna get, you fucking moron.

Net MORI satisfaction ratings after 3 months
Foot -21
Kinnock +13
Smith +12
Blair +27
Brown +18
Milliband +1
Corbyn -17

 

[nino_savatte]

MORI? Weren't they one of the polling companies that told us we were going to get a hung parliament? Fuck them.

 

[gosub]

MORI? Weren't they one of the polling companies that told us we were going to get a hung parliament? Fuck them.

perfect storm. (now, not May)

 

[Pickman's model]

MORI? Weren't they one of the polling companies that told us we were going to get a hung parliament? Fuck them.

yeh not a gallows in sight on election morning

 

[killer b]

I don't think you can argue with such a substantial negative tbh. They don't get it that far out.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

You're not all there are you?

Throwing around inane insults and now implying that I have a mental illness just about sums up your contribution so far. Well done.

 

[nino_savatte]

I'm wondering how those questions were phrased and how the data was analysed. Given the nature of polling companies and quantitative research generally, the very idea of self-reflexivity is an alien concept that only qualitative researchers bother with.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Net MORI satisfaction ratings after 3 months
Foot -21
Kinnock +13
Smith +12
Blair +27
Brown +18
Milliband +1
Corbyn -17

I'm not saying that Corbyn is popular, I'm saying he is as popular a leader as Labour is going to get - context is everything as the fortunes of the above leaders demonstrate.

 

[nino_savatte]

Throwing around inane insults and now implying that I have a mental illness just about sums up your contribution so far. Well done.

Piss off, O ye of flawed logic.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Sure he's popular for his honesty and integrity, but can you honestly say that enough people are going to vote for him in 2020 to put Labour in power?

Who do you think would be more popular?

 

[Pickman's model]

Throwing around inane insults and now implying that I have a mental illness just about sums up your contribution so far. Well done.

i don't think you have a mental illness but i do think you don't know what the fuck you're on about, and that your critical faculties would shame a lobotomised slow-worm.

 

[killer b]

Come now, denial gets you nowhere. The reasons for Corbyn's lack of popularity are mainly nothing to do with his competence or abilities, or even his politics. But you can't argue with the figures.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Come now, denial gets you nowhere. The reasons for Corbyn's lack of popularity are mainly nothing to do with his competence or abilities, or even his politics. But you can't argue with the figures.

Who would get better figures?

 

[nino_savatte]

Come now, denial gets you nowhere. The reasons for Corbyn's lack of popularity are mainly nothing to do with his competence or abilities, or even his politics. But you can't argue with the figures.

I think we can argue with the polling methodology (data collection and analysis), and who commissioned the poll(s) in the first place.

 

[killer b]

I think their figures are probably about right.

 

[DotCommunist]

theres may and then dreaded brexit reff to come yet so be not of faint heart Corbyn fans. See how the lanscape looks after we've been hectored into a narrow yes to eu

 

[nino_savatte]

I think their figures are probably about right.

I still question the methodology.