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Labour don't want to be led by another Blair, but they will have to secure the votes of at least 12 million voters and that just isn't going to happen with Corbyn as leader.

Not gonna happen under any of the Blairites either. Do you understand why Blair won the 1997 election?
 
I don't claim it did. I hate Blair as much as anyone, but even Blair and Brown's Labour governments were better for the sick, vulnerable, elderly, pensioners, the education system, the NHS and other public services than a continuation of a tory government in perpetuity would have been. There was no third alternative.



Sorry if it jars, but how else do you think we can get rid of the tories before 2025? Do have have an answer?

Labour don't want to be led by another Blair, but they will have to secure the votes of at least 12 million voters and that just isn't going to happen with Corbyn as leader.

Blair's and Brown's governments introduced the Benefits Integrity Project in 2000-2001, which sought to cut the number of claimants of Disability Living Allowance through seeking fraud. Hundreds of thousands of claimants thrown into turmoil, and what did the "Benefits Integrity Project" eventually find after several claimant suicides? That fraud barely existed.
The same governments introduced ESA in 2007-2008, another wheeze to cut claimant numbers from what was obviously a claimant population swollen with frauds. Seven years and hundreds of suicides and premature deaths down the line, fuck-all fraud has been found.
The same governments reduced the payroll across government departments and furthered the quasi-privatisation of education and health long before the coalition got in. These were people who had the power to put a brake on such changes, but refused to, because they'd taken power (in their minds) not on the backs of the voters, but with the support of big business.

Get a clue.
 
that's an awful lot more than the last three PM's have needed.

2005 - 10 million, 2010 - 10 million, 2015 - 11 million

I'm assuming they'd want a working majority and not have to rely on things like the Lib Dems taking nearly 6 million as happened in 2005. Cameron's tories actually got nearer to 11 million in 2010 and still didn't win outright.

Do you think Corbyn can rely the support of even 10 million voters? Who might he go into a coalition with?
 
by repeatedly using them as a massive bogeyman to get people to vote for a right-liberal labour party of course! get that nice young andy back from the car showroom and in charge.
 
Labour don't need to become 'Blairite' again to win in 2020, but they do need to replace Corbyn.

How do you think we can get rid of the tories?

There are several ways we can potentially get rid of the tories, and none of them are more unlikely than a) the LP uniting around Corbyn (which would do very well) or b) Labour replacing Corbyn with another leader that people like.

My point was you seem to believe that like him or not, Blair was a 'winner'. In fact, anyone could have won in 1997. Michael Foot could have won. Ed Milliband could have won. In 1997 the Tories were fucked.
 
Labour don't need to become 'Blairite' again to win in 2020, but they do need to replace Corbyn.

How do you think we can get rid of the tories?
there's this thing called 'elections' which happen every few years and people 'vote' for the party of their choice. it is at one of these 'elections' that people can choose e.g. labour over the conservative and unionist party.
 
I'm assuming they'd want a working majority and not have to rely on things like the Lib Dems taking nearly 6 million as happened in 2005. Cameron's tories actually got nearer to 11 million in 2010 and still didn't win outright.

Do you think Corbyn can rely the support of even 10 million voters? Who might he go into a coalition with?
all i know is you wouldn't be guaranteed the support of 10 voters.
 
I don't claim it did. I hate Blair as much as anyone, but even Blair and Brown's Labour governments were better for the sick, vulnerable, elderly, pensioners, the education system, the NHS and other public services than a continuation of a tory government in perpetuity would have been. There was no third alternative.



Sorry if it jars, but how else do you think we can get rid of the tories before 2025? Do have have an answer?

Labour don't want to be led by another Blair, but they will have to secure the votes of at least 12 million voters and that just isn't going to happen with Corbyn as leader.

1. Did you vote for his government twice; if so then no you don't you just like to think you do.

2. There are always alternatives.

3. The problem with jarring isn't whether it upsets me or not; the problem is that it doesn't make sense...voting for one thing while desiring something antithetical.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
1. No you don't you just like to think you do.

2. There are always alternatives.

3. The problem with jarring isn't whether it upsets me or not; the problem is that it doesn't make sense...voting for one thing while desiring something antithetical.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

3. It makes perfect sense if you understand democracy.

2. What is the alternative in this case?
 
3. It makes perfect sense if you understand democracy.

2. What is the alternative in this case?

If you think that the democracy that we currently 'enjoy' really deserves the name then you are more foolish than I thought. An alternative that makes sense at this time is to work for democracies that actually work at community, workplace, local and national government level (I'll leave the international to another day).

You need to think bigger...it's still all out there even if Jez isn't the answer.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
If you think that the democracy that we currently 'enjoy' really deserves the name then you are more foolish than I thought. An alternative that makes sense at this time is to work for democracies that actually work at community, workplace, local and national government level (I'll leave the international to another day).

You need to think bigger...it's still all out there even if Jez isn't the answer.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

If it's still all out there, then why can't you give me an example of 'it'? I'm all for democracy that works at a community level, but how can we get rid of the tory government other than by Labour winning a general election?
 
And you're expecting one or some of these events to come to our rescue before 2020 are you?

Go back and read what I said - if you think the only way that we can get rid of the Tories in 2020 is the LP, then you don't realise how unlikely that is to happen.
 
If it's still all out there, then why can't you give me an example of 'it'? I'm all for democracy that works at a community level, but how can we get rid of the tory government other than by Labour winning a general election?
ah! you've found out about elections, i see. it's a step in the right direction :)
 
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