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Andrew Hertford are you honestly saying you are unaware of the famous blair 'third way'?
that's an awful lot more than the last three PM's have needed.Labour don't want to be led by another Blair, but they will have to secure the votes of at least 12 million voters and that just isn't going to happen with Corbyn as leader.
Labour don't want to be led by another Blair, but they will have to secure the votes of at least 12 million voters and that just isn't going to happen with Corbyn as leader.
I don't claim it did. I hate Blair as much as anyone, but even Blair and Brown's Labour governments were better for the sick, vulnerable, elderly, pensioners, the education system, the NHS and other public services than a continuation of a tory government in perpetuity would have been. There was no third alternative.
Sorry if it jars, but how else do you think we can get rid of the tories before 2025? Do have have an answer?
Labour don't want to be led by another Blair, but they will have to secure the votes of at least 12 million voters and that just isn't going to happen with Corbyn as leader.
that's an awful lot more than the last three PM's have needed.
2005 - 10 million, 2010 - 10 million, 2015 - 11 million
Not gonna happen under any of the Blairites either. Do you understand why Blair won the 1997 election?
Labour don't need to become 'Blairite' again to win in 2020, but they do need to replace Corbyn.
How do you think we can get rid of the tories?
The SNP's 50 odd MP's would doDo you think Corbyn can rely the support of even 10 million voters? Who might he go into a coalition with?
Yeah, they seem to be invisible to the corbyn can't win brigade. Intentionally so, in most cases.The SNP's 50 odd MP's would do
There are several ways we can potentially get rid of the tories, and none of them are more unlikely than a) the LP uniting around Corbyn (which would do very well) or b) Labour replacing Corbyn with another leader that people like.
there's this thing called 'elections' which happen every few years and people 'vote' for the party of their choice. it is at one of these 'elections' that people can choose e.g. labour over the conservative and unionist party.Labour don't need to become 'Blairite' again to win in 2020, but they do need to replace Corbyn.
How do you think we can get rid of the tories?
all i know is you wouldn't be guaranteed the support of 10 voters.I'm assuming they'd want a working majority and not have to rely on things like the Lib Dems taking nearly 6 million as happened in 2005. Cameron's tories actually got nearer to 11 million in 2010 and still didn't win outright.
Do you think Corbyn can rely the support of even 10 million voters? Who might he go into a coalition with?
I don't claim it did. I hate Blair as much as anyone, but even Blair and Brown's Labour governments were better for the sick, vulnerable, elderly, pensioners, the education system, the NHS and other public services than a continuation of a tory government in perpetuity would have been. There was no third alternative.
Sorry if it jars, but how else do you think we can get rid of the tories before 2025? Do have have an answer?
Labour don't want to be led by another Blair, but they will have to secure the votes of at least 12 million voters and that just isn't going to happen with Corbyn as leader.
1. No you don't you just like to think you do.
2. There are always alternatives.
3. The problem with jarring isn't whether it upsets me or not; the problem is that it doesn't make sense...voting for one thing while desiring something antithetical.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
the alternative i am reluctantly considering is placing your dull whine on ignore.2. What is the alternative in this case?
Then what other ways!??
3. It makes perfect sense if you understand democracy.
3. It makes perfect sense if you understand democracy.
2. What is the alternative in this case?
some of us are washed
and at least one of us - Andrew Hertford - is brainwashedsome of us are washed
some of us are washed
sun over yardarm, louisNot yet .... it's only coming up to half past one.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Natural disasters, mass strikes, coups, other political parties, elite sniper squads, herds of battle elephants...use your imagination.
you never know, you might fall prey to one of them - gaia defending itself and us.And you're expecting one or some of these events to come to our rescue before 2020 are you?
If you think that the democracy that we currently 'enjoy' really deserves the name then you are more foolish than I thought. An alternative that makes sense at this time is to work for democracies that actually work at community, workplace, local and national government level (I'll leave the international to another day).
You need to think bigger...it's still all out there even if Jez isn't the answer.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
And you're expecting one or some of these events to come to our rescue before 2020 are you?
ah! you've found out about elections, i see. it's a step in the right directionIf it's still all out there, then why can't you give me an example of 'it'? I'm all for democracy that works at a community level, but how can we get rid of the tory government other than by Labour winning a general election?