Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[Wilf]

tbh i don't think corbyn expected to win and is therefore doing things very much on the hoof. so there is no strategy.

Yeah, he certainly didn't expect to win at the outset and by the time it looked pretty certain he would do he was already on the treadmill of the campaign. Trouble is he seems to have stepped back onto the institutional, parliamentary treadmill, without much thought about what comes next, how he was going to be 'different'.

Even if the centre was pushing a new approach, it's difficult to imagine most local parties being willing to think creatively, start working with other groups.

 

[ska invita]

I think it is way too early to pass any judgment - there will be a lot of backroom stuff going on, planning and strategising. Theyve only just appointed their Media Guru (in seamus milne)! Things dont look particularly good at the moment, in terms of polls etc, but its a long way till the election and theyve havent even started yet.

It may feel like a low after a high of the candidacy elections, but that process was relatively inward looking (despite the public meetings) - the national campaign hasnt even started yet.

Id rather they took time to plan properly than go on the airwaves now looking flakey

 

[Wilf]

I think it is way too early to pass any judgment - there will be a lot of backroom stuff going on, planning and strategising. Theyve only just appointed their Media Guru (in seamus milne)! Things dont look particularly good at the moment, in terms of polls etc, but its a long way till the election and theyve havent even started yet.

It may feel like a low after a high of the candidacy elections, but that process was relatively inward looking (despite the public meetings) - the national campaign hasnt even started yet.

Id rather they took time to plan properly than go on the airwaves now looking flakey

For me it's not so much the airwaves stuff, it's whether they are planning anything real, new and exciting on the ground.

 

[ska invita]

For me it's not so much the airwaves stuff, it's whether they are planning anything real, new and exciting on the ground.

again, id expect so, but its a bit too soon..

i think they do also need to have a better approach to the media

 

[Diamond]

How long is it realistic for the shadow cabinet to learn the ropes and grow some claws/teeth?

At some point after the New Year, perhaps?

 

[Pickman's model]

How long is it realistic for the shadow cabinet to learn the ropes and grow some claws/teeth?

At some point after the New Year, perhaps?

how long should we wait for you to post something about politics which doesn't make you appear shallow yet out of your depth?

 

[ska invita]

6 months grace period i think

have to say Corbyn had some genuine 'swagger' at PMQs today...really came across well i think... Corbyn still has a chance to pull this whole things off, whatever the polls say right now

 

[DotCommunist]

are you saying c-byns got swag?

 

[ska invita]

are you saying c-byns got swag?

check him out on the front page of the guardian right now - he actually shimmys

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

The question isn't so much "how long have they got to find the ropes?" as it it "how long can the media continue to paint them as cranks and eccentrics with people actually believing the media?". The truth is that Corbyn and McDonnell seem pretty level-headed and normal, so it's not like they can do to them what they did to Milliband. Mainly because he was genuinely a bit odd, and so painting him as such was entirely believable.

 

[DotCommunist]

hahaha the look on osbournes mush

 

[ska invita]

If only - slurring works

 

[ska invita]

hahaha the look on osbournes mush

+ Cameron looks like he's been hitting the whisky to me

 

[agricola]

6 months grace period i think

have to say Corbyn had some genuine 'swagger' at PMQs today...really came across well i think... Corbyn still has a chance to pull this whole things off, whatever the polls say right now

May 2016 was always going to be the key date - if he does badly, they will probably bleat over the summer, decide which horror to put forward and then have a coronation in the autumn. If he does well they will probably be panicked into some laughable coup attempt / New SDLP as soon as possible, or face years of having their talents recognized, opinions valued and performance rewarded appropriately.

 

[Lo Siento.]

May 2016 was always going to be the key date - if he does badly, they will probably bleat over the summer, decide which horror to put forward and then have a coronation in the autumn. If he does well they will probably be panicked into some laughable coup attempt / New SDLP as soon as possible, or face years of having their talents recognized, opinions valued and performance rewarded appropriately.

I think the original Stoop Down Low Party are still going...

 

[agricola]

I think the original Stoop Down Low Party are still going...

Ah, sorry. I meant SDP.

 

[ViolentPanda]

+ Cameron looks like he's been hitting the whisky to me

Unfortunately for Pig-fucker, he's got a complexion that shows up the least bit of emotion as red cheeks, nose and earlobes, so he looks permanently pissed and/or pissed off.

 

[Tankus]

Didn't think that Ball's smirk could be any more irritating ...until seeing Watson today ..... ..

 

[emanymton]

How long is it realistic for the shadow cabinet to learn the ropes and grow some claws/teeth?

At some point after the New Year, perhaps?

Claws and teeth? What you mean propping up a weak government with a slim majority by refusing to vote against their shit, which is what any other possible shadow cabinet would do.

 

[DotCommunist]

Am I the only one who feels strangely protective of Corbyn? I want to go to the New $tatesman and Graunid offices and crack some skulls to make them stop being the posho liberal twats that they always are and lay off Corbyn.

I can't remember which one but it was probably the Express that triumped a 'BYE BYE LABOUR' headline. And it made me think, for fucks sake. You are seeing the moderate response to austerity. You are seeing that opposed via democratic means. Theres shit tons of people who have far to much to lose in terms of personal liberty, family etc to go the route of riot. People who would never do that anyway cos they believe in P.democracy and the ability to be served via the box.

If they whip away that curtain and oz is sat with his abbacus- then what.

 

[teqniq]

I posted this one in the poppy thread



But the Grauniad is also running the same story



from the start of the Graun piece

Labour leader under fire on Twitter for depth of his bow, while others say media are attempting to politicise Remembrance Sunday

Here I think they are being somewhat disingenuous, what appears to be going on to me is an ongoing and concerted campaign of character assassination by any and all means possible. Even when somewhat flattering articles get written they tend to drift off into criticism. I was reading and article in the Independent last week which started off with the journalist conceding that Corbyn was doing rather well at PMQ's and ended with the writer suggesting that he drifted of into nonsense towards the end. I have no idea if this was actually borne out because I haven't watched the vid but It's almost as if they can't help themselves.

 

[tommers]

He's being criticised for being "anti-war". Like that's a bad thing. "how dare he not want our brave boys to throw away their lives on some foreign field?!"

It's fucking weird seeing it laid bare like that.

 

[ska invita]

Have the bbc been giving airtime to this bowing nonsense?

 

[teqniq]

Amazingly it would appear not. Not at least yet anyway.

 

[tony.c]

on now

 

[Ranbay]

 

[Nine Bob Note]

Come on Jezza, this is how you show proper respect to the nation's dead:

I notice they're not wearing poppies, though

 

[brogdale]

Bell-end.

 

[agricola]

Bell-end.

He really should be congratulated for managing to condense all of that wide-ranging nonsense into one tweet, tbh.

 

[brogdale]

He really should be congratulated for managing to condense all of that wide-ranging nonsense into one tweet, tbh.

I have congratulated him for publicly confirming that 'the military' are 'suspicious' of the leader of her majesty's loyal opposition (& ilk). I'd imagine when the claret wears off he might regret that tweet.