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Another Corbyn thread :D getting a bit sick of all this tbh but thats modern politics

Thinks its worth having a seperate thread for Corbyn & the Cabinet and how they're dealt with in the media (and how they deal with it too). I doubt there'll be a day that goes by without some attempt to undermine and misrepresent.
 
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Corbyn & Cabinet by C S Lewis
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Its been fucking depressing, should have expected it, but its been relentless, and he hasn't even announced any clear policies yet.
 
Its been fucking depressing, should have expected it, but its been relentless, and he hasn't even announced any clear policies yet.

the own goals - or at least no-shows - have started already.

yesterday the Argentine Ambassador to the UK put out a statement (reported on BBC website, front page, and its still on linked to a story about Argentine mistreatment of own troops in the falklands war thats on the front page) about how she welcomed Corbyns' election and said that it was a first step towards 'negotiations' because Corbyn was 'one of us' on the issue.

has Labour/Corbyn rebutted it? has Labour/Corbyn said 'in your fucking dreams love'? no, they've not. they've handed every political opponant of Corbyn yet another stick to beat him with, knowing that not responding to Argentine bolshiness over the FI with anything less than a rude gesture and a Type 45 Destroyer is second only to noncing in the publics' list of unforgivable crimes.

i sit here in awe of their political nouse...
 
the own goals - or at least no-shows - have started already.

yesterday the Argentine Ambassador to the UK put out a statement (reported on BBC website, front page, and its still on linked to a story about Argentine mistreatment of own troops in the falklands war thats on the front page) about how she welcomed Corbyns' election and said that it was a first step towards 'negotiations' because Corbyn was 'one of us' on the issue.

has Labour/Corbyn rebutted it? has Labour/Corbyn said 'in your fucking dreams love'? no, they've not. they've handed every political opponant of Corbyn yet another stick to beat him with, knowing that not responding to Argentine bolshiness over the FI with anything less than a rude gesture and a Type 45 Destroyer is second only to noncing in the publics' list of unforgivable crimes.

i sit here in awe of their political nouse...
nobody other than the residents and the over 50s give a shit about the falklands in 2015
 
Its been fucking depressing, should have expected it, but its been relentless, and he hasn't even announced any clear policies yet.
On the economy
Corbyn is opposed to austerity and plans to bring down the deficit by growing the economy and taxing the wealthy instead.

He intends to introduce a “people’s quantitative easing”, which would allow the Bank of England to print money to invest in large-scale housing, energy, transport and digital projects, partly through a national investment bank.

Corbyn says he will fund this by reducing the “tax gap” and ending corporate tax reliefs.

On tax
Corbyn says there is £20bn in tax debt uncollected by HMRC every year and another £20bn in tax avoidance and a further £80bn in tax evasion that needs to be addressed.

On education
Corbyn has proposed a National Education Service, which he says would be “every bit as vital and as free at the point of use as our NHS”. The service would begin with universal childcare, give more power to local authorities, rethink the role of free schools and academies, introduce a minimum wage for apprentices and put more money into adult learning.

Corbyn has said he will also look at abolishing the charitable status of private schools but admitted it would be “very difficult to do”.

He wants to scrap tuition fees and restore student maintenance grants. This will be funded by increasing national insurance on those earning more than £50,000 a year and increasing corporation tax by 2.5%, or by slowing the pace of deficit reduction.

He has apologised to students who have had to pay fees because of Labour.

I want to apologise on behalf of the Labour party to the last generation of students for the imposition of fees, top-up fees and the replacement of grants with loans by previous Labour governments. I opposed those changes at the time – as did many others – and now we have an opportunity to change course.

On housing
Corbyn would introduce rent controls in expensive places like central London so that families on welfare are not pushed out of the area, which he says is an example of “social cleansing”. He will also suspend council right-to-buy schemes in such areas and will lift borrowing restrictions on councils so that they can build more than half of the 250,000 new homes he says are needed each year.

Corbyn has proposed the idea of linking private rents to local average earnings and introducing a right to buy for private tenants of large-scale landlords, a scheme that would be funded by withdrawing some of the £14bn of tax allowances given to buy-to-let landlords.

On immigration
Corbyn has consistently argued that immigration is not a drain on the economy and has campaigned on behalf of asylum seekers, most recently over the need to rescue Mediterranean refugees. He has said the debate on immigration has been “poisoned” and that migration is a global phenomenon that has been going on for hundreds of years.

On welfare
Corbyn was one of the 48 Labour rebels who defied the party whip and voted against the government’s welfare reform bill. He said:

We are one of the richest countries in the world and there is absolutely no reason why anyone should have to live in poverty.

On defence
Corbyn intends to withdraw from Nato and opposes the renewal of the Trident nuclear deterrent.

He is in favour of unilateral nuclear disarmament and has called for a “radically different international policy” based on “political and not military solutions”.

He has indicated that he would block any attempt by David Cameron to launch airstrikes in Syria, stating that bombing the country will “kill many people” and may not defeat Isis. Cutting off the supply of money and arms to Isis from “some of our supposed allies in the region” would be more effective, he added.

On public ownership
Corbyn plans to renationalise the energy companies to bring energy prices back down. He said privatisation of the sector has created a “false market” which allows for a great deal of money to be made by gas and electricity companies at the expense of everyone else.

Corbyn also plans to renationalise the railways, which he says will allow the public to “get the benefit” of the current investment in infrastructure. He said:

I believe in public ownership, but I have never favoured the remote nationalised model of the postwar era. Like a majority of the population and a majority of even Tory voters, I want the railways back in public ownership. But public control should mean just that: so we should have passengers, rail workers and government too, cooperatively running the railways ... in our interests and not for private profit.

On Europe
Corbyn has indicated that he is likely to support the campaign to stay in the European Union, but has refused to rule out campaigning for a no vote because:

Cameron quite clearly follows an agenda which is about trading away workers’ rights ... environment protection ... much of what is in the social chapter.

He maintains that Britain should play a crucial role in Europe by making demands on issues such as workers’ rights, the environment, tax and wage protection “rather than saying blanketly we’re going to support whatever Cameron comes out with whenever he finally decides to hold this referendum”.

When pressed, Corbyn has said his preferred position is to stay in a reformed EU. But he has also cited the union’s treatment of Greece as a justification for potential exit. He said:

Look at it another way: if we allow unaccountable forces to destroy an economy like Greece, when all that bailout money isn’t going to the Greek people, it’s going to carious banks all across Europe, then I think we need to think very, very carefully about what role [the EU] are playing and what role we are playing in that.

On healthcare
Corbyn has promised a “fully funded NHS, integrated with social care, with an end to privatisation in health”. His website states that the “principle of universal healthcare which is free at the point of use is something that we all deserve and should be absolutely protected.”

Corbyn has also pledged to tackle the “mental health crisis” and improve mental health coverage in the country. He will grow rather than cut mental health budgets and ensure mental health education is taught in schools.

On the monarchy
Though Corbyn is a republican, he has said abolishing the monarchy is “not the fight I’m going to fight” due to huge public support for the royal family.

On the arts
Corbyn has said he will create a cabinet committee for the arts and creative industries to bring ministers from across the departments together, making policy more effective.

On gender equality
Corbyn has pledged to do more to address discrimination in the workplace, at home and on the streets. He has called for an end to the cuts to public services and welfare that drive women and families into poverty, including the cuts to women’s refuges and services for domestic violence.

He also wants all companies to publish details of their equal pay arrangements, intends his cabinet to be made up of 50% women and wants to “work towards” 50% of all Labour MPs being women.

Corbyn has floated the idea of reintroducing women-only carriages on trains to cut sexual assault cases. He says this is not his preferred choice but he will consult women on the proposal after being contacted by women lobbyists.

On foreign policy
Corbyn was opposed to the Iraq war and has suggested that Tony Blair should stand trial as a war criminal over it.

Corbyn has hinted that Britain should seek greater diplomatic relations with Russia. He previously described the Kremlin’s state propaganda channel Russia Today as “more objective on Libya than most” and believes that the Ukraine crisis was caused by the west and Nato.

Russia has gone way beyond its legal powers to use bases in the Crimea. Sending unidentified forces into another country is clearly a violation of that country’s sovereignty [...] Still, the hypocrisy of the west remains unbelievable,” he said. “Nato has sought to expand since the end of the cold war. It has increased its military capability and expenditure. It operates way beyond its original 1948 area and its attempt to encircle Russia is one of the big threats of our time.

Corbyn has also said he supports Israel’s right to exist but opposes what he describes as the country’s “occupation policies”. He has reportedly attended an event in the past hosted by a Holocaust denier and has been criticised for describing Hamas and Hezbollah as friends, which he says was a throwaway word he used to create an amicable atmosphere during discussions. “You don’t make peace unless you talk to everybody,” he said.
Yep, no policies.
 
On welfare
Corbyn was one of the 48 Labour rebels who defied the party whip and voted against the government’s welfare reform bill. He said:

We are one of the richest countries in the world and there is absolutely no reason why anyone should have to live in poverty.

That is not a policy
 
Does one non-policy invalidate the other policies mentioned? I just copied it from an article...I haven't typed all that shit out :p

bit worrying though, nothing concrete on social security at all really yet, a largely unknown to shadow the DWP, no shadow ministers for disabled people or employment announced so far, given Labour;s track record it's not looking great
 
bit worrying though, nothing concrete on social security at all really yet, a largely unknown to shadow the DWP, no shadow ministers for disabled people or employment announced so far, given Labour;s track record it's not looking great
Yep, gotta agree with that. :hmm:
 
bit worrying though, nothing concrete on social security at all really yet, a largely unknown to shadow the DWP, no shadow ministers for disabled people or employment announced so far, given Labour;s track record it's not looking great
if you expected something concrete on Day One, you're a bit of a knob, to be honest. They're in opposition, the important thing is to oppose the tories. And develop their own plans democratically. Simply announcing his own proposals would rather undermine that democratic promise.
 
the own goals - or at least no-shows - have started already.

yesterday the Argentine Ambassador to the UK put out a statement (reported on BBC website, front page, and its still on linked to a story about Argentine mistreatment of own troops in the falklands war thats on the front page) about how she welcomed Corbyns' election and said that it was a first step towards 'negotiations' because Corbyn was 'one of us' on the issue.

has Labour/Corbyn rebutted it? has Labour/Corbyn said 'in your fucking dreams love'? no, they've not. they've handed every political opponant of Corbyn yet another stick to beat him with, knowing that not responding to Argentine bolshiness over the FI with anything less than a rude gesture and a Type 45 Destroyer is second only to noncing in the publics' list of unforgivable crimes.

i sit here in awe of their political nouse...

It's a standard neocon technique that you get your lie in first because, they think, the public only takes in the the first headline and does not see the subsequent qualification, rebuttal and microanalysis.

That may have been the case in the age of mass broadcast media (I include newspapers in that) but I am not so sure it applies now. Now we are all choosing our sources and the technique may not work so well with narrowcasting.

I think the Labour Party is right to keep their powder dry and to bide their time while the frenzy happens. I think the responsibility lies with us to ensure that the relatively uncontrollable social media is filled with mocking and derision (that's another neocon technique but we can use it...) and good photoshopped memes.

I think we live in interesting times....
 
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if you expected something concrete on Day One, you're a bit of a knob, to be honest. They're in opposition, the important thing is to oppose the tories. And develop their own plans democratically. Simply announcing his own proposals would rather undermine that democratic promise.

well he's got lots of policies in other areas.
 
well he's got lots of policies in other areas.
In case you didn't notice, his whole campaign was kickstarted by his opposition to the welfare bill. He is avowedly opposed to tory cuts. Its pretty obvious he is on the side of claimants, even if he hasn't got a full proposal for what benefits will exist under his dictatorship
 
In case you didn't notice, his whole campaign was kickstarted by his opposition to the welfare bill. He is avowedly opposed to tory cuts. Its pretty obvious he is on the side of claimants, even if he hasn't got a full proposal for what benefits will exist under his dictatorship

On the side of claimants can mean lots of different things, Iain Duncan Smith thinks he's on the side of claimants, that's why policy is important
 
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