Cop who hit Tomlinson has a suspected heart attack

[ymu]

Perhaps not justice, but it wouldn't be surprising if they hung the cop who pushed him out to dry, easier to make it look like the problem's been dealt with that way ("one bad apple" etc.)

If they had any sense, that's exactly what they'd do. But it's a bit too late for that. The IPCC have a lot of cases to look at now - probably dozens by the time all the footage has been scrutinised - and too much media momentum to sweep them under the carpet. They've got themselves into a right mess.

 

[sus]

The IPCC look fucking useless.

Now let's cast our minds back to April the first.


As I'm sure has been agreed, apart from our tourette-afflicted erstwhile colleague db, lies, deceipt and crime have been found here. Complicity or stupidity as well, through the chain of command and in the IPCC. The IPCC look fucking useless, at best.

None of which is acceptable, in the public interest. Heads must roll boys, you've been caught with your trouser(-leg)s down and you've failed the people you were meant to be protecting. Again.

(And the bastards may well have missed an apostrophe, too.)



Big Brother sets great store by it's observation and data gathering and (control of and) broadcast of that data. No CCTV footage? Only because it doesn't suit them and there's no doubt about that. They do like to control who sees what and who says what.

Well these days so do the public. And we like to film things too. And we can get that film right out to a mass audience. American cop killing a guy on the ground a few weeks ago was also caught on a phone at a train station.

Big Brother has company.

Little Brother has entered the house.

Big brother is old and fucked. Little brother's got some demolition and renovation to do.

 

[DexterTCN]

As the Met released a statement insisting the force had not intended to deliberately mislead the public over the death, Nick Hardwick, chairman of the IPCC, defended his organisation's handling of the case

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/10/g20-assault-investigation

He can go first, then.

 

[sus]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/10/g20-assault-investigation

He can go first, then.

 

[il_bastardo]

Thats actually wrong - the IPCC have not limited their investigation to just "one copper" (if they did, one imagines there would have been even more of an uproar since witnesses have alleged Tomlinson was involved with other officers prior to the one captured on the Guardian footage) and some reports - like this - state specifically that they will be interviewing the other Met officers in addition to the TSG PC.

Thank you for that article. So the IPCC are fully aware who the others were, yet they haven't suspended them. Interviewing? Big deal. Obviously they're interviewing all the witnesses that have come forward. This lot aren't witnesses. They're complicit. They should be suspended.

And you say it was other officers battering Mr Tomlinson earlier. Is anyone sure about that? Because what goes on in the one bit of footage available to us doesn't look like the start of the trouble with those bullyboys. It looks like the end of it. The way they beeline for him and that thug cunt knocks him over. It's abundantly clear Mr Tomlinson is just trying to get away from them by the way he moves away towards the crowd ahead and doesn't even look over his shoulder at them. Not once. He was already moving on. There was no need for that kind of attack on him. The PC who attacked him is clearly already extremely riled. And the attack Anna Branthwaite witnessed shortly before sounds remarkably similar.

You could also be right in saying that it was other officers who attacked Mr Tomlinson earlier on. Let's face it, the acts of violence perpetrated against him weren't isolated incidents, they were endemic. The IPCC and Professional Standards Department can access CCTV footage of the whole area. They could identify every officer acting like a thug that day if they wanted to. But do you seriously think they will? Or that any of the others will be suspended, sacked or punished? I don't. Because the Met haven't just condoned what happened to Ian Tomlinson; they tried to cover it up and if it wasn't for the footage recorded by the American Fund Manager, they'd have got away with it.

Only time will reveal which of us is right.

 

[Blagsta]

Fuck you and your colleagues.

Good this stereotyping, isn't it ...

I thought you'd fucked off somewhere.

 

[winjer]

Mr Tomlinson was subjected to a brutal and thuggish attack by their colleague and they did nothing about it. Any police who witnessed that attack and did nothing (which is all of those present) obviously regard their colleague's uniform as a valid reason to be excused from the necessity of abiding by the law. That being so, they are not fit to enforce the law. They should be suspended.

The officer who was in charge of the immediate area not only hasn't been suspended, he was put in charge of policing the solidarity demo on April 2nd - where people were batonned and bitten by dogs before being searched, photographed and ID'd - and the memorial march yesterday.

 

[winjer]

Q: the number on the back of there helmets is that linked to there collar number ?

It should be, in the case of scuffle cops it identifies their borough, for TSG it's their area and unit.

But on the 1st many had the wrong helmets on, for example in the photos of medics around Ian Tomlinson it's plain that a Hackney (GD) medic has a TSG (U32) helmet on.

 

[shagnasty]

My opinion is the police went into this protest to win at all costs by kettling and any tactic to hand .the job of the police is keep peace not provoke anger from protestors .Mr tomlinson was just an innocent bystander and was treated with contempt by being hit with a baton and pushed .and yes this kind of action is condoned by an ever frightened government

 

[il_bastardo]

My opinion is the police went into this protest to win at all costs by kettling and any tactic to hand .the job of the police is keep peace not provoke anger from protestors .Mr tomlinson was just an innocent bystander and was treated with contempt by being hit with a baton and pushed .and yes this kind of action is condoned by an ever frightened government

is the police behaviour at these protests the knee jerk reaction of a terrified government? I don't think they're frightened. I do think they're trying to frighten the general public into a state of total submissiveness, where they're too terrified to even peacefully protest about losing their jobs/pensions/savings/homes/etc.

add to that the complete media blanket of bullshit on all channels that branded every protestor as an insane anarchist or unwashed eccentric who doesn't even know what he's protesting about and just likes making trouble.... because there's nothing to protest about really, is there.

a deliberate concoction of fear, disgust and shame to keep the Average Joe conforming and safely indoors watching Jeremy Kyle ~ like all good citizens should when they no longer have jobs to go to.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

WHICH "shallow apologist bollocks"?

(I have merely (as usual) pointed out that there are some things that we do not know, that there are some explanations which could be given and may be justifiable and that it is only a fool (like you) who rushes in on the basis of an initial impression and comes to a solid conclusion about what happened). I do not know what happened and I am not willing to make a judgment about whether it was justifiable until I do.

FACT 1: You are prejudiced.
FACT 2: You apply that prejudice to every situation which confronts you.
FACT 3: You reach an instant and immovable conclusion based on your prejudices.
FACT 4: You refuse to even consider anything which does not accord with your prejudices.
FACT 5: You are a prick.

wow talk about projection eh fellas....

 

[il_bastardo]

Is anyone else still waiting for DB to come up with his 'explanations' why cracking a man in the back of the legs with a baton and giving him a snide hevay shove from behind are acceptable and proportionate then?

Apparently he has (quote) several. But none that you and the other prejudiced wankers here would be in the slightest bit interested in considering. So there's absolutely no fucking point at all in attempting to explain them.

O rly?

But we are interested, so please explain these several reasons why it's justifiable, tiresome though it is for you to do so.

 

[derf]

Come on, I see the point you think you're making, but is that word really necessary in this context?

I chose the word with care. I wanted something that depicted a vile stereotype that is generally seen to be unacceptable.
Using the word was designed to show the foolishness of stereotyping all of a group for the actions of a few.

Sadly some on here feel that stereotyping is fine as long as it's against a group they don't like.

Hitler had he jews, The BNP has their hate targets and so do the political left.

Sad that they never learn.

 

[editor]

I chose the word with care. I wanted something that depicted a vile stereotype that is generally seen to be unacceptable.
Using the word was designed to show the foolishness of stereotyping all of a group for the actions of a few.

I don't think it was appropriate for you to post up the 'n' word.

It was crass and sensationalist.

 

[In Bloom]

I chose the word with care. I wanted something that depicted a vile stereotype that is generally seen to be unacceptable.
Using the word was designed to show the foolishness of stereotyping all of a group for the actions of a few.

Sadly some on here feel that stereotyping is fine as long as it's against a group they don't like.

Hitler had he jews, The BNP has their hate targets and so do the political left.

Sad that they never learn.

What "stereotyping" has taken place?

 

[DaveCinzano]

It should be, in the case of scuffle cops it identifies their borough, for TSG it's their area and unit.

But on the 1st many had the wrong helmets on, for example in the photos of medics around Ian Tomlinson it's plain that a Hackney (GD) medic has a TSG (U32) helmet on.

Or perhaps a TSG medic (U3 2) is wearing a Hackney borough officer's (Sergeant GD 44?) epaulettes? After all, TSG serials have two medics per serial, there were definitely TSG in the area, and so forth.

 

[ymu]

What "stereotyping" has taken place?

The Police apparently. They're not trained professionals any more, they're a protected minority.

 

[pk]

Exactly this; Lie .How far does it go? The mentality goes ALL the way to the top. That's why the systems fuct. Can't trust or respect it. If the worst fears(and not even the worst) concerns re climate change come to pass, then you could write post industrial civilization off as a pretty much unmitigated disaster. A headlong careen via years of wars repression and depression into the fuckin abbyss.

imvho


although personally i've had a blinder so far

Yup, I agree with this. In a nutshell, we are fucked, irreversably.

But I'm not going out under the boot or the cosh of some fuckwit pig who should have been Blakelocked a long time ago.

 

[two sheds]

I chose the word with care. I wanted something that depicted a vile stereotype that is generally seen to be unacceptable.

Couldn't you have used 'derf' then instead?

 

[Idris2002]

Yup, I agree with this. In a nutshell, we are fucked, irreversably.

But I'm not going out under the boot or the cosh of some fuckwit pig who should have been Blakelocked a long time ago.

 

[derf]

I don't think it was appropriate for you to post up the 'n' word.

It was crass and sensationalist.

I agree with your second line but not the first.

It does bug me that it's seen to be unacceptable to use group words against some but fine against others.

Cops are all murderous pigs.
Muslims are knuckle draggers (from a U75 poster)

Why are those not attacked as they are no different from the N word that is seen to be so sensitive I can't even use it to show an attitude.

I will make it very clear at this point that I don't use such words in general use and I have no time for those that do use them as a way to group people of a given skin colour.

 

[In Bloom]

Cops are all murderous pigs.
Muslims are knuckle draggers (from a U75 poster)

Would you care to point towards anybody actually saying either of those things?

And if you can't tell the difference between a profession and an ethnic group, you really are fucking stupid.

 

[detective-boy]

What more evidence do I need to see before it's fair to conclude that a police officer shoved a man entirely unnecessarily from behind - a violent, cowardly action that was always likely to cause a heavy fall or injury.

Try "All of it (including their account / explanation)".

Just like that is I need to see before I conclude that it is a lawful use of force (which I have never said).

If you twats were willing to engage in rational debate (which you all gave up fucking years ago) as opposed to knee-jerk ranting, based entirely on your prejudices (which you are all addicted to), you would find that I have significant concerns over what I have seen and heard (on both the organisational and individual levels). But you aren't. So you won't.

Your loss. (And, sadly, a loss to the effectiveness of your arguments).

 

[Donna Ferentes]

based entirely on your prejudices (which you are all addicted to)

(My emendations)

 

[tarannau]

Ah, more mealy mouthed hot air and bluster from mr pathetically angry. Where are those 'several' explanations as to why it's fair enough to shove and baton a man unexpectedly from behind then?

 

[detective-boy]

I suspect DB's disappeared

I'm beginning to think that you lot post from behind the walls of a high-security hospital for the criminally insane.

Which bit of "He fucked off, quite openly, ages ago, and hasn't been seen since except occasionally to pop up and wind up a couple of the biggest tossers" have you not noticed?

I thought you'd fucked off somewhere.

See, I did ... I really did ...

 

[In Bloom]

Try "All of it (including their account / explanation)".

Just like that is I need to see before I conclude that it is a lawful use of force (which I have never said).

If you twats were willing to engage in rational debate (which you all gave up fucking years ago) as opposed to knee-jerk ranting, based entirely on your prejudices (which you are all addicted to), you would find that I have significant concerns over what I have seen and heard (on both the organisational and individual levels). But you aren't. So you won't.

Your loss. (And, sadly, a loss to the effectiveness of your arguments).

What possible justification could there be for the use of force against Ian Tomlinson, given what we do know (that he was walking away from them, his back was turned, his hands were in his pockets)?

 

[tarannau]

I'm beginning to think that you lot post from behind the walls of a high-security hospital for the criminally insane.

Which bit of "He fucked off, quite openly, ages ago, and hasn't been seen since except occasionally to pop up and wind up a couple of the biggest tossers" have you not noticed?

Are you going to give any of these multiple explanations then, or is being a pointlessly aggressive shallow cunt all you aspire to these days?

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Just like that is I need to see before I conclude that it is a lawful use of force (which I have never said).

what does this mean? it simply doesn't make any sense, no matter how many times, or how many different ways, you approach it.

 

[xes]

Fuck you and your colleagues.

Good this stereotyping, isn't it ...

only it wasn't really a stereotype was it? Every video I see from the G20, is of dirty wanker pigs beating people. It could have been any one of those potential murderers who landed a blow that killed someone. But they couldn't give a fuck. So why should anyone else give a fuck about this wanker? I hope he rots in jail, only he won't, because the system is corrupted to the core, and it's good to beat people up with large bits of wood.