Conservative UKIP merger

[where to]

The "ongoing" rather proves the point, doesn't it?

I'm not following the thread closely so not sure what yr point is, just answering the question.

 

[butchersapron]

And it's this sort of dishonest slipperiness that calls the labour party home and says of its leaders we.

 

[where to]

The "ongoing" rather proves the point, doesn't it?

Do you mean this shows the pcf have melted into the fdg? They haven't.

 

[butchersapron]

The "ongoing" rather proves the point, doesn't it?

Astonishing - for silas its existence only proves that it doesn't exist.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Do you mean that the pcf have melted into the fdg? They haven't.

They haven't emerged yet, though, have they?

 

[Firky]

The "ongoing" rather proves the point, doesn't it?

Eh?

E2A:

Beaten to it.

 

[butchersapron]

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[J Ed]

lol, why would the electoral system matter in this equation? Surely that only serves to narrow the number of examples?

 

[where to]

They haven't emerged yet, though, have they?

You could say that of any existing pact. Any pact is proof that a pact is actually a merger. They haven't emrged yet though have they !!!

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[Favelado]

Can you find me an example of any two parties which have formed an electoral pact and subsequently retained separate, distinct and competing identities?

Catalan separatist party CiU and nationalist PP under Aznar in Spain in the 90s.

Also, The Catalan left have co-operated in such a way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Agreement_of_Progress

 

[Kid_Eternity]

It's going to happen, isn't it? The Con Home email this morning was all about ways and means of collaborating in shire county coalitions, and electoral pacts for 2015. Local pacts, as with the SDP and Liberals, become alliances, and alliances back into mergers. There just isn't space under FPTP for parties that cannibalise each other.

So the "detoxification" of the Tory party, already knocked by economic conditions which the small-staters could exploit, should be reversed in its entirety over the next couple of years.

It's not. There may a couple of MPs that might defect but there'll be no merger. It's more likely that that the Cameroons and LibDems orange bookers splinter and create a new Liberal Conservative Party than UKIP and the Tory merging...

 

[Maurice Picarda]

lol, why would the electoral system matter in this equation? Surely that only serves to narrow the number of examples?

In a transferable vote system, a pact wouldn't involve the same level of horsetrading over territory, and so effectively merged decision-making on candidate selection.

Also, the electoral system defines the shape and scale of parties. A pact is more significant if you're a potential challenger or winner than if you're a fringe party whose only hope is to win deals on a single issue.

 

[butchersapron]

It's not. There may a couple of MPs that might defect but there'll be no merger. It's more likely that that the Cameroons and LibDems orange bookers splinter and create a new Liberal Conservative Party than UKIP and the Tory merging...

That's not going to happen either. The tory party doesn't split. It eats up individual members of other parties. A few leading lib-dems will join the tories - that doesn't require a new party.

 

[el-ahrairah]

The Tories are not going to leave the EU. Whilst a number of their party are anti-EU the majority of Tories are pro-Europe for economic reasons. It would cost their backers way too much to leave Europe and would fuck our economy if we did. A merger or coalition with UKIP would be pointless to UKIP.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Might as well merge the LibDems and nuLabour while they're at it.

Might as well just merge all of them. They could call themselves 'Nutorlibkip'

 

[Random]

The farage quote is quite spectacular. It lays down dumping the Libs, the Tory leadership and holding a hasty referendum, as a precondition for a pact. Any Tory party that actually delivered may as well serve UKIP it's balls on a plate. He's merely taking a slap at Clegg and the wets

 

[Maurice Picarda]

The farage quote is quite spectacular. It lays down dumping the Libs, the Tory leadership and holding a hasty referendum, as a precondition for a pact. Any Tory party that actually delivered may as well serve UKIP it's balls on a plate. He's merely taking a slap at Clegg and the wets

Yes, but much of the Tory grassroots would consider all these actions as being a reclaiming of balls.

 

[gunneradt]

If every party is so convinced they want to be in Europe, then hold a referendum and let the people decide - simple really. Puts it to bed once and for all.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

If every party is so convinced they want to be in Europe, then hold a referendum and let the people decide - simple really. Puts it to bed once and for all.

Right. Shall we do that for hanging, as well? And for whether there should be additional bank holidays?

 

[JHE]

Right. Shall we do that for hanging, as well? And for whether there should be additional bank holidays?

Yes, why not?

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Yes, why not?

Because the people are fundamentally untrustworthy.

 

[gunneradt]

Right. Shall we do that for hanging, as well? And for whether there should be additional bank holidays?

ohhhh, you mean the British public will vote to leave the EU. The kind of thing that UKIP is saying - the British people want out?

 

[Corax]

Because the people are fundamentally untrustworthy.

And stupid. Don't forget stupid.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

And stupid. Don't forget stupid.

And greedy, and spiteful.

 

[frogwoman]

If every party is so convinced they want to be in Europe, then hold a referendum and let the people decide - simple really. Puts it to bed once and for all.

This is probably the first time I have agreed with any of your postings.

 

[frogwoman]

Of course we should have a referendum but no party would give us one not even (perhaps especially not) UKIP.

 

[frogwoman]

If your lot got into power gunner it would be like "yeah of course we're gonna leave the EU but not yet"

 

[Corax]

And greedy, and spiteful.

Untrustworthy, stupid, greedy and spiteful.

Yep, I guess that pretty much covers it. That's good work we've done today.

 

[treelover]

Does the rise of the 'maverick' mean the Johnson could now one day be PM?

 

[coley]

Right. Shall we do that for hanging, as well? And for whether there should be additional bank holidays?

Not a bad idea, referendums should be held on most major issues.