Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Prime Minister Gove
Conservative UKIP merger
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
More likely than Boris johnson
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Johnson would do more to fuck the Tories up and away from power than any of the others, just with the number of skeletons in his and his family's closets.
Bring him on, I say!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yep.
The phrase "Pob-faced cunt" is never far from my lips when Gove is on the idiot box.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
probably, but they all sound equally ridiculous
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This is tory madness, they've effectively given their sore point, their major weakness month and months of massive exposure, and all for a bill which will be talked out/voted down. Labour are not trapped by this - they can support the bill and sit back and watch the tory implosion or they can vote against and sit back and watch the tory implosion, or they can abstain and sit back and watch the tory implosion, they can whip it or make it a free vote and sit back an watch the tory implosion. All the while Farge is sitting there saying jump tories jump, how high do you say? I haven't decided yet. Madness.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Quite, and all predicated upon a massive mis-understanding of the drivers for UKIP support.
gosub
~#
Was a result of problems for Labour /Cooperative candidates from what I've read
butchersapron
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You think the tories and lib-dems introduced this to help labour candidates? There's no problem with co-op endorsing labour candidates anyway. Nothing needed to be changed for them. This was done with an eye a tory/lib-dem deal in 2015.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's to do with the use of emblems on ballot papers for joint candidates, not the legislation that allows joint candidates to stand - which is what we are talking about.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
These changes in the text are appended and amendments made to the 1983 Representation of the People Act (and others Registration of Political Parties Act 1998 etc), it's a new part of it. And it's intention was to allow the two coalition parties to stand together, not to help labour and co-op candidates have a an emblem but to allow the coalition parties to. It is irrelevant if it was labour and the co-op who were mostly effected by the emblem on the ballot paper rule (and just how little they were really effected is indicated by them not bothering to change the rule during any of their periods of govt), the change happened and was engineered by the lib-dems and tories in preparation for 2015.
edit: And more to the point, this joint candidacy legislation is the Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013. This being the relevant clause:
Use of emblems on ballot papers
(1)
Rule 19 of Schedule 1 to the Representation of the People Act 1983 (ballot papers for parliamentary elections) is amended as follows.
(2)
After paragraph (2A) insert—
“(2AA)
If a candidate who is the subject of an authorisation by two or more parties under rule 6A(1B) so requests, the ballot paper shall contain, against the candidate’s particulars, the registered emblem (or, as the case may be, one of the registered emblems) of one of those parties.”
(3)
In paragraph (2B), for “The request” substitute “A request under paragraph (2A) or (2AA)”.
edit: And more to the point, this joint candidacy legislation is the Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013. This being the relevant clause:
Use of emblems on ballot papers
(1)
Rule 19 of Schedule 1 to the Representation of the People Act 1983 (ballot papers for parliamentary elections) is amended as follows.
(2)
After paragraph (2A) insert—
“(2AA)
If a candidate who is the subject of an authorisation by two or more parties under rule 6A(1B) so requests, the ballot paper shall contain, against the candidate’s particulars, the registered emblem (or, as the case may be, one of the registered emblems) of one of those parties.”
(3)
In paragraph (2B), for “The request” substitute “A request under paragraph (2A) or (2AA)”.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You do know what an amendment is don't you? And that amending an act from 1983 doesn't mean that you have gone back in time to 1983 and amended that reality? And that the tories and lib dems went into coalition in 2010? And that they made amendments to previous legislation?
gosub
~#
Yes, and the draft legislation which contrary to what you said initially, IS about emblems and according to the white paper cites Lab / Co-op difficulties as a cause. White papers come earlier but are part of the same legisative process.
Candidates ARE already legally allowed to stand.
Candidates ARE already legally allowed to stand.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No, saying that labour and Co op candidates were effected by legislation regarding emblems on ballots is not a clue to the tories and lib dems motivation for pushing through these changes. It is an utter irrelevance - their motives are transparent.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Or to put it another way: Take whatever people say they are doing at face value and apply neither critical thinking nor basic common sense.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How persuasive do you think this is:
It would have been good if you had done what you recommend. First off, you didn't link to a white paper, you linked to a parliamentary briefing about possible future legislation. I linked to the (now passed) legislation and quoted the relevant section. Secondly, you have argued that the motivation for the tories and lib-dems amending the 1983 act in this way could not be anything to do with future tory/lib-dem lash ups as the lib-dems did not exist in 1983. What sort of oddness is that?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yeah, noted.
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