UrbaneFox
They've doubled in price
o yes
Cliff Richard is now Barbadian
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Do you know something then?
PursuedByBears
Go stick your head in a pig
Are we talking about the Elm House stuff or something else?
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
was that elm guest house list ever debunked ? fake or no ?
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Apparently he killed Jill Dando and was the second gunman of the JFK assassination.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
tip of iceberg
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Gotta say that I thought the piece with Simon Israel on C4 was really just speculating that, now that 'Richard's' name was out there, it is highly likely that the case will evolve like many other 'high-profile' cases, and more allegations will emerge.
Israel certainly thought that SYP had breached the Leveson guidelines.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Lettuce not go there.
PursuedByBears
Go stick your head in a pig
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
SYP?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
South Yorks OB...a leak..that put 'Richard's' name into the public domaine.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I just googled Elm House and there's some vile poison pen shit in the first link I found. Do people on here really give this kind of shit any credence? 
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
if i remember the link ill pm it...from a few years ago
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Don't know what came up on your search as it's different for all of us - Google personalises them. The first that come up for me are wikipedia and a Guardian story, neither of which features the saintly rocker. There is stuff out there, though; and whether or not you give it any credence, as xenon says it's hardly a laughing matter.I just googled Elm House and there's some vile poison pen shit in the first link I found. Do people on here really give this kind of shit any credence?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Actually, it was 'Elm Guest House Cliff Richard that I googled
http://cigpapers.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/the-elm-guest-house-vip-paedophile-party-list/
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Richard said in his statement this story had been around for months, which makes it pretty certain there would be nothing for the police to find in his house anyway (certainly nothing to do with the Sheffield thing). Presume searching the house and getting hold of computers is pretty standard now, but the police won't expect to find anything. Assume it's more about publicity and getting other alleged victims to come forward?
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Ugh. Nothing new there, apart from the updated status of a certain disc jockey, but no evidence of anything either. These allegations are widespread and repeating them is probably libellous.
Puddy_Tat
santa paws, do you ever come to the ghetto?
I just googled Elm House and there's some vile poison pen shit in the first link I found. Do people on here really give this kind of shit any credence?
Hard to answer that until such time as any of this gets proved in court - although without wishing to get in to the flawed 'no smoke without fire' argument, many people were not that long ago convinced that jimmy saville and rolf harris (for example) were innocent of all the accusations being made by 'fantasists'.
A lot of the sites out there do include a lot of homophobia / anti semitism / bullshit / grasping at any opportunity to discredit politicians they don't like the political colour of / any combination thereof, which is so damn obvious it does not do their argument (if it has any truth) any favours.
One I found had a piece about someone who reached cabinet level after 1997 who (it alleged) got let off something naughty and D-notices issued over it in the early 70s because MI5 had (at that time) identified that person as a future cabinet minister - which I find just a tad implausible...
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
It is quite unthinkable that any cabinet minister past present or future would ever procure a D notice or superinjunction...
[For daring even to imagine such a monstrous abuse of process bluescreen is dragged away to the tower even as we speak]
elbows
Well-Known Member
I just googled Elm House and there's some vile poison pen shit in the first link I found. Do people on here really give this kind of shit any credence?
Depends which detail, which site. Many shitty blogs with agendas ranging from anti-semitism to rampant homophobia focus on child abuse by famous people stuff, especially politicians. Plenty of sloppy dot joining and overconfidence in meaning of certain evidence. But also an underlying series of historical incidents, rumours, investigations etc, that are worthy of further investigation by those in a position to investigate. But layers of all kinds of shit will be built on top of that stuff, especially in the absence of more timely facts. All the same there are some sites which approach the subject without being too ugly, at least most of the time, and so yes some people on u75 have been following and discussing this stuff for ages without staining the furniture.
For example earlier I think someone asked whether the 'list of names' was real or fake. Unfortunately answering that question doesn't actually tell us much - its not a question of the list being 'fake', but rather what the list is and is not. It's a list based on investigations a distinctly non-mainstream charity pieced together from sources that apparently included victims and the woman who ran the guest-house. If a name appears on the list, it doesn't mean that abundant proof exists that the person not only visited the guest house, but abused under-age boys there.
The medias attitude to that particular list is mostly not to tell everyone that its out there on the net, be vague about the identities of the living, but quite often name the dead in fairly certain terms. It will be very easy for people to assume the list is accurate, dismiss it completely, or remain undecided and eager for more to emerge before lunging for a sense of certainty.
Anyway there is a lot of talk about that guest house and the current investigations into it in the high-level ring thread, especially as its one of the stories Exaro news has focussed on in recent years. Unfortunately we still have not learnt very much new from that stuff so far, and its far from clear whether the police investigation is going anywhere. Exaro themselves sort of built up hopes that it would, but these days have moved into a mode of expressing far less hope, and applying pressure to any institute/body that could influence the investigation and decisions about prosecution.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
curiously prescient post here from 10th august ...days before the rozzers arrived at cliffs gaff 
http://www.maxfarquar.com/2014/08/cliff-richard-rumours-young-ones/
http://www.maxfarquar.com/2014/08/cliff-richard-rumours-young-ones/
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Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
veritable nostradamus that max farquar...drops a hint he new in advance
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