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Anyone knowledgeable about premises licensing and CCTV?

It's my understanding that Lambeth doesn't require licensed premises/pubs to have CCTV, more just that it might be required if there's a lot of anti social or criminal activity in/around the premises.

Is this correct?
 
Anyone knowledgeable about premises licensing and CCTV?

It's my understanding that Lambeth doesn't require licensed premises/pubs to have CCTV, more just that it might be required if there's a lot of anti social or criminal activity in/around the premises.

Is this correct?

I think that police/local authority can insist on it if they argue it contributes to delivering the Licensing objectives'. That is for new applications but no sure about current licences.
 
Condolences to the friends and family of the 44-year-old man and 56-year-old woman who were murdered in Dorset Road yesterday afternoon, and to anyone else who has affected by these murders.
Daniel Briceno-Garcia, 44, of Dorset Road, Stockwell has been charged with two counts of murder relating to two as yet unnamed people, now described in reports as a 59-year-old-man and a 56-year-old woman.

He is due to appear in custody at Croydon Magistrates’ Court today.

Four other men and one woman were arrested at the scene on suspicion of murder. They have been bailed pending further enquiries.
 
Some park pics

In photos: the green spaces, ponds and trees of Clapham Common


In photos: the green spaces, ponds and trees of Clapham Common


In photos: the green spaces, ponds and trees of Clapham Common

In photos: the green spaces, ponds and trees of Clapham Common




In photos: the open spaces, green fields, ponds and trees of Clapham Common
 
So what's the story? One of the assailants lunged at the deceased through an open window with his crutch.
The other assailant - who killed the deceased with three stabs of his blade - is claiming it was manslaughter.

Is this the type of manslaughter caused by failure to take one's anti=psychotic medication?
Or is it the type caused by a dispute over delivering non-NHS substances?

Or maybe it was pedestrian road rage? Driver failed to stop for jay-walkers?

I hope you will keep us posted.
Following the conviction of Tishaun Panton for manslaughter, his co-defendant Zion Chiata faces retrial for murder.

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The Late Gavin Garraway
 
Following the conviction of Tishaun Panton for manslaughter, his co-defendant Zion Chiata faces retrial for murder.

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The Late Gavin Garraway
Thank you for following up. My knee jerk reaction to this sort of case is to suggest banning drill music on Youtube and all other social media. However I realise this violates the First Amendment Rights of Americans to listen to murder music - and indeed to threaten to murder other people.

What is your view? Do you feel that Drill is the 21st century equivalent of medieval jousting - and alpha males should be allowed the right to slight and fight?
 
Thank you for following up. My knee jerk reaction to this sort of case is to suggest banning drill music on Youtube and all other social media. However I realise this violates the First Amendment Rights of Americans to listen to murder music - and indeed to threaten to murder other people.

What is your view? Do you feel that Drill is the 21st century equivalent of medieval jousting - and alpha males should be allowed the right to slight and fight?

I suspect - but have no statistical evidence in support - that the majority of murders in the UK (or anywhere else in the world) are not committed by listeners to, or performers of, drill "music". Certainly, the Krays and Richardsons never listened to, or performed it.
 
Following the conviction of Tishaun Panton for manslaughter, his co-defendant Zion Chiata faces retrial for murder.

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The Late Gavin Garraway

Earlier today, 20-year old Zion Chiata was found guilty of murdering father-of-three Gavin Garraway on 29 March 2019.


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(Source: Metropolitan Police)

Zion Chiata will be sentenced to life imprisonment at the Central Criminal Court on on a date to be confirmed.


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(Source: Metropolitan Police)

Alongside him for sentence will be 22-year old Tishuan Panton, who was found guilty of manslaughter at an earlier trial.
 

Earlier today, 20-year old Zion Chiata was found guilty of murdering father-of-three Gavin Garraway on 29 March 2019.


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(Source: Metropolitan Police)

Zion Chiata will be sentenced to life imprisonment at the Central Criminal Court on on a date to be confirmed.


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(Source: Metropolitan Police)

Alongside him for sentence will be 22-year old Tishuan Panton, who was found guilty of manslaughter at an earlier trial.
I'm going to make a dedicated thread for you to post up your London-wide crime reports and photos as general local area chat threads aren't really the appropriate place in my opinion. I hope that's OK.
 
I suspect - but have no statistical evidence in support - that the majority of murders in the UK (or anywhere else in the world) are not committed by listeners to, or performers of, drill "music". Certainly, the Krays and Richardsons never listened to, or performed it.
Wonder what music the right wing nutters who descended on London yesterday, listen to....Madness* and Sham69* were very popular amongst their predecessors in the 1980s.

Edit....* not suggesting members of either band supported the same politics as some of their fans.
 
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Isn't it just a tiny residential garden square like so many others across London? While it would be nice to have access to any space I fancied, I can't feel a sense of deep injustice at being unable to sit on small a patch of land that is only of real use to the people whose homes front onto it.

By the same logic we should be asking stern questions about the Blenheim Estate Community Garden, The Gresham Almshouses, etc, etc.

If there is something remarkable here it's perhaps the fact that Durand Gardens has gone from being a derelict (and unfenced) space owned by just one resident to a proper amenity for the whole street once more.
 
Isn't it just a tiny residential garden square like so many others across London? While it would be nice to have access to any space I fancied, I can't feel a sense of deep injustice at being unable to sit on small a patch of land that is only of real use to the people whose homes front onto it.

By the same logic we should be asking stern questions about the Blenheim Estate Community Garden, The Gresham Almshouses, etc, etc.

If there is something remarkable here it's perhaps the fact that Durand Gardens has gone from being a derelict (and unfenced) space owned by just one resident to a proper amenity for the whole street once more.
Seems quite a big space for a relatively small area and the recent lockdown has made me realise just how precious green space is. I don't like exclusive private parks. Never have.

It was completely empty when I passed.
 
Seems quite a big space for a relatively small area and the recent lockdown has made me realise just how precious green space is. I don't like exclusive private parks. Never have.

It was completely empty when I passed.
Green space in cities is indeed a vital resource - and I've made the point of listing on these boards some of the lesser-known examples in the hope that people use them. Spaces that you have in turn written useful articles about.

But there's a distinction between communal garden and 'exclusive private park' - albeit sometimes a fine one, and it's not about wealth. I lived in a tenement flat in Scotland for several years that had precisely such a space, as did many neighbouring streets. It was for our street to use, but expressly not a place for public parties, drinking, football or any of the more typical 'park-type' activities that frankly would have been a nuisance so close to anyone's bedroom window.

And it was often empty. There was no obligation to populate it 24hrs a day.
 
And it was often empty. There was no obligation to populate it 24hrs a day.
Good job I didn't construct that particular strawman and erect it on this thread.

And given the off-the-beaten-track location and terrain of this particular park - and the well off neighbourhood - it's wildly improbable that people would even attempt to play football there or turn it into some sort of outdoor disco space.

Sorry, but I don't like seeing exclusive green spaces locked off from the public. You're fine with it, I'm not. Never have been.
 
I’m teasing just a tiny bit. If I have a point it’s that spaces exist on a spectrum rather than simple binaries of open public and exclusive private.

And there is the nuance of circumstance. It sounds as though the residents of Durand Gardens clubbed together to purchase a neglected private space from a single owner to restore it for their collective amenity.

If the alternative would have been the council buying it, investing in its restoration, continued maintenance, policing, lighting, clearance of litter and dog waste etc, just so that non-residents could read a book under a tree from time to time then I‘m not sure I think the investment justifies the principle.

As to whether I’m ok with private green spaces, it depends. 24% of the land area of London is domestic gardens, one of the main reasons we have one of the lowest population densities and highest number of trees per capita of any major city in Europe. That’s undoubtedly a good thing. Do I think the Queen should have an area half the size of Brockwell under lock and key? No.
 
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