Characterising UKIP?

[nessa239]

But don't you think your views should be able to stand up to scrutiny? And if they can't they might be incorrect? I like to have mine scrutinised, it's one of the things I like about these boards - because if I'm wrong about something I like to know so that I can change my mind.

We like to scrutinise views on the politics boards on this site - when there are things that can be known about issues we like to get to know them. If that kind of rigour upsets you or you don't like it you might enjoy posting on some of the other forums on here more - we discuss things a lot less seriously and intensely on the general forum and a lot of issues are covered - you might prefer it on there. Just to be clear, I'm not trying to force you to do anything, just making a suggestion.

I don't like it when it gets to the brain-ache level for me lol

 

[nessa239]

Is the wolves cowboy still around btw?

Haven't seen him in ages

Mind you I don't go round town a lot

 

[discokermit]

Oh right, not far

the maisonettes.
i'm in woodcross now.

 

[butchersapron]

Haven't seen him in ages

Mind you I don't go round town a lot

They finally got him. Poor lad.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I don't like it when it gets to the brain-ache level for me lol

Something I learned a while ago about posting on the internet - if a discussion is getting to you sometimes it's best to just walk away. I know sometimes it feels like you're giving up or admitting defeat but nobody else notices and it's actually quite liberating.

 

[nessa239]

Who is they?

I once overheard him having a conversation with this woman in a cafe in W-ton saying something about her always preferring to sleep outdoors ie like a homeless person, saying it wasn't right

 

[nessa239]

Something I learned a while ago about posting on the internet - if a discussion is getting to you sometimes it's best to just walk away. I know sometimes it feels like you're giving up or admitting defeat but nobody else notices and it's actually quite liberating.

it wasn't getting to me that much, I know what you mean though

 

[butchersapron]

Who is they?

I once overheard him having a conversation with this woman in a cafe in W-ton saying something about her always preferring to sleep outdoors ie like a homeless person, saying it wasn't right

The injuns. And federalos.

 

[nessa239]

The injuns. And federalos.

Oh lol

 

[butchersapron]

But indeed, who is they? Who is they?

 

[nessa239]

the maisonettes.
i'm in woodcross now.

Oh right

 

[nessa239]

But indeed, who is they? Who is they?

Who am they

 

[butchersapron]

Who am they

They're after you not me, let us know.

 

[discokermit]

Is the wolves cowboy still around btw?

kinda sad story. was approached by a christian couple, who kept trying to chat to him. turns out he just wanted someone to talk to. turned christian, lost the clobber.
he musta been walking round the town dressed as a cowboy shouting at people for over thirty years.

 

[nessa239]

kinda sad story. was approached by a christian couple, who kept trying to chat to him. turns out he just wanted someone to talk to. turned christian, lost the clobber.
he musta been walking round the town dressed as a cowboy shouting at people for over thirty years.

I see. Whenever i saw him he was mainly talking to himself and was always carrying a radio

I thought of him as being like Mike TV out of Charlie & the Chocolate Factory; like a boy in a man's body

 

[butchersapron]

kinda sad story. was approached by a christian couple, who kept trying to chat to him. turns out he just wanted someone to talk to. turned christian, lost the clobber.
he musta been walking round the town dressed as a cowboy shouting at people for over thirty years.

I saw him have some epic battles with the christian shouters in town. Proper shooting round corners and everything. I don't want to sound glib or judgmental but, if we failed to at least offer an option for that lad all that time, well, we're doing it at least part wrong.

 

[discokermit]

I see. Whenever i saw him he was mainly talking to himself and was always carrying a radio

I thought of him as being like Mike TV out of Charlie & the Chocolate Factory; like a boy in a man's body

there was a rumour when i was a kid that the pressure of doing a levels had sent him mad. we were glad we'd never be doing 'em.

 

[nessa239]

there was a rumour when i was a kid that the pressure of doing a levels had sent him mad. we were glad we'd never be doing 'em.

I liked him - he was unthreatening and different

always walked very fast

I did A- Levels - look what it's done to me! Lol

That's Human Biology A-Level for you! fucks you right up!

 

[discokermit]

I saw him have some epic battles with the christian shouters in town. Proper shooting round corners and everything. I don't want to sound glib or judgmental but, if we failed to at least offer an option for that lad all that time, well, we're doing it at least part wrong.

you're right. the fact it took a couple of patient christians to talk to him and no one else had.
mind you, if you'd have come to our branch meetings you would have seen we were doing our bit.

 

[discokermit]

I liked him - he was unthreatening and different

always walked very fast

he could be a right cunt sometimes.

 

[nessa239]

he could be a right cunt sometimes.

In what way?

 

[butchersapron]

he could be a right cunt sometimes.

Jumping out on lone women in the dark.

 

[nessa239]

Jumping out on lone women in the dark.

That surprises me - I'd categorised him as harmless

 

[discokermit]

In what way?

he could be quite manic, aggressive and shouty.
mind you, having a circle of twelve year olds running round him whooping like indians wouldn't have helped.

and what butchers said.

 

[nessa239]

he could be quite manic, aggressive and shouty.
mind you, having a circle of twelve year olds running round him whooping like indians wouldn't have helped.

I didn't see him often enough to see all this other behaviour, it was only ever him walking past

 

[emanymton]

Petty small minded community type. The sort of person people will vote for.

Quite, I don't really see much wrong with anything he said.

 

[frogwoman]

I don't really understand what's funny about that video - the kind of stuff he's talking about (apart from the green belt stuff) reminds me of the kind of stuff my old man gets up to on the parish council where he lives (and it's made him very popuIar and quite right too) and not all that different from the kind of stuff that people used to support Dave Nellist for doing.

Nor do I. Did you watch the whole thing?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't really understand what's funny about that video - the kind of stuff he's talking about (apart from the green belt stuff) reminds me of the kind of stuff my old man gets up to on the parish council where he lives (and it's made him very popuIar and quite right too) and not all that different from the kind of stuff that people used to support Dave Nellist for doing.

I think some people find it funny because they take what the geezer is saying as signifying his party's values etc. Bit daft because, as you and othrs have pointed out, at local level that sort of stuff is what swings some local elections.

 

[ViolentPanda]

it's just the state of Council budget and lack of ability at managing the budget - you'd vote for anything but a repeat of the same basically! They've been closing libraries, threatened to close swimming baths, which has had a reprieve I think; all sorts of services cut back or cancelled - it's been appallingly managed. The city has a very bad image now - people avoid it. Shops not being able to afford rents etc. It's turned into a right dive that we only go into when absolutely necessary. Council don't seem to have a clue about how to regenerate it - having no money for the task being major factor, they spent a fortune on a new bus station though and a massive new Sainsburys is being built - how this is going to help I don't know. I think council is possibly corrupt behind the scenes - loads of backhanders and people just lining their pockets - this is how it seems to me, especially with Labour getting back in again on such a majority. It's as if people didn't realise the council was Labour not Tory and have blamed cuts on the Tories as opposed to evident Labour council mismanagement of budget.

TBF those sorts of cuts have happened everywhere, not just in Labour authorities, and a lot of it has little to do with "appalling management" (you can have the best management in the world, but with no money coming in, they can't manage!), and everything to do with year-on-year budget reductions for the laast 5-6 years. Unless you're a Wandsworth or a Westminster, with large reserves (and even they have gone through their reserves by now, even though both had tens of millions), then you're going to be one of the hundreds of local authorities and county councils who're basically on their uppers due to having their budgets slashed by the coalition.

 

[laptop]

UKIP characterises itself:

Nigel Farage joins forces with far-right Swedish and French MEPs
Ukip leader's group in European parliament includes party founded by white supremacists and ex-FN member
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/18/nigel-farage-far-right-european-parliament