Characterising UKIP?

[SpineyNorman]

Saltley Gate was a long time ago, the Tories have done well in the W/M since then.

She says this one's labour dominated though so it's obviously not Saltley Gate.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Actually, I'm backing out before this turns into a re-run of the Maxine Carr thread.

 

[butchersapron]

We can't allow this person to do this though.

 

[nessa239]

The cuts do come from the Tories though - only way the council can avoid them is by breaking the law. At the same time as making massive cuts (which are being aimed disproportionately at labour held councils in the north and midlands) the government has given councils additional responsibilities with no extra funds (in fact a massive reduction).
People are absolutely right to blame the government for the cuts - it's them who are making them. I'd also give some blame to the council for not breaking the law and refusing to pass them on but I'm guessing you wouldn't approve of that.

As for the Sainsbury's - I'd expect Sainsbury's are paying for the bulk of that (and the council will get additional tax money from it so it's not that stupid really). I'd have to look at the bus station specifically but sometimes earmarked funds are provided by the EU for developments like that, especially in areas needing regeneration. On the other hand, it might just really need a new one.

You say there's evident mismanagement of the budget by labour - what evidence are you talking about precisely (it may well be true, I don't know, but you're being very naive if you think the Tories would do any better).

If you don't like reduced services and decline you'd have to be utterly barking to vote for a Tory council.

I voted UKIP

Would have voted Tory but got disillusioned as the candidate came round after we offered to help out via sending a questionnaire back and he said he needed leaflets delivering. Never heard anything more from him so I thought if he can't be bothered, neither can I! I have an intense dislike of Labour (and don't need another argument - just accept some people have different views)

 

[nessa239]

Actually, I'm backing out before this turns into a re-run of the Maxine Carr thread.

Lol

I won't turn it into a battle if no one else does

 

[butchersapron]

I voted UKIP

Would have voted Tory but got disillusioned as the candidate came round after we offered to help out via sending a questionnaire back and he said he needed leaflets delivering. Never heard anything more from him so I thought if he can't be bothered, neither can I! I have an intense dislike of Labour (and don't need another argument - just accept some people have different views)

And then you turn on UKIP.

 

[nessa239]

I thought labour outpolled your tories by 2 to 1?

Paul Uppal is our MP - representative in central government Our local council is Labour controlled - MP doesn't automatically follow what council is

 

[nessa239]

And then you turn on UKIP.

Turn on? I voted for them

 

[butchersapron]

Paul Uppal is our MP - representative in central governemnt Our local council is Labour

By 2 to 1 is it?

 

[SpineyNorman]

I voted UKIP

Would have voted Tory but got disillusioned as the candidate came round after we offered to help out via sending a questionnaire back and he said he needed leaflets delivering. Never heard anything more from him so I thought if he can't be bothered, neither can I! I have an intense dislike of Labour (and don't need another argument - just accept some people have different views)

I'm not exactly a fan of labour either. I've spent the last 4 years directly confronting a labour council in anti-cuts campaigns. But you seem to have some very strange (and demonstrably erroneous) ideas about how council funding works. No council would be able to live up the expectations you appear to have, if you ended up with a UKIP one you'd have been back here in 6 months time making the same complaints about them - same goes for the Tories.

 

[nessa239]

By 2 to 1 is it?

more than

If people had voted Conservative instead of UKIP ie if UKIP hadn't split the vote, Labour would still have won!

This is in my local ward sorry, not overall but evidently similar elsewhere for Labour to win overall

 

[SpineyNorman]

Uppal is Wolverhampton isn't he? Isn't discokermit from those parts?

 

[butchersapron]

Uppal is Wolverhampton isn't he? Isn't discokermit from those parts?

I used to live in that seat - Budgen had it then.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Just checked the council results for Wolverhampton. In only two seats did labour get double the combined vote of the tories and UKIP, though they came close in a third. The rest were either not won by labour at all or the combined UKIP/Tory vote either exceeded the labour vote or came very close to doing so.

 

[butchersapron]

Just checked the council results for Wolverhampton. In only two seats did labour get double the combined vote of the tories and UKIP, though they came close in a third. The rest were either not won by labour at all or the combined UKIP/Tory vote either exceeded the labour vote or came very close to doing so.

Majority view - fuck you. Bully.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Not just a bully - I must be really fucking bored to check election results in a town I have no connection to at half past midnight on a Friday night

 

[butchersapron]

Not just a bully - I must be really fucking bored to check election results in a town I have no connection to at half past midnight on a Friday night

A bully and a nerd. I have the excuse of only popping back in for a bit...you though...

 

[nessa239]

more than

If people had voted Conservative instead of UKIP ie if UKIP hadn't split the vote, Labour would still have won!

Uppal is Wolverhampton isn't he? Isn't discokermit from those parts?

Yes, don't know

 

[brogdale]

I voted UKIP

Would have voted Tory but got disillusioned as the candidate came round after we offered to help out via sending a questionnaire back and he said he needed leaflets delivering. Never heard anything more from him so I thought if he can't be bothered, neither can I! I have an intense dislike of Labour (and don't need another argument - just accept some people have different views)

And you'd have done so expecting there to be fewer cut services if they'd been elected?

 

[nessa239]

Just checked the council results for Wolverhampton. In only two seats did labour get double the combined vote of the tories and UKIP, though they came close in a third. The rest were either not won by labour at all or the combined UKIP/Tory vote either exceeded the labour vote or came very close to doing so.

Most seats were won by Labour - it's a Labour majority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014

 

[butchersapron]

Most seats were won by Labour - it's a Labour majority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014

Yet you said that labour did what electorally in your town?

 

[nessa239]

Most seats were won by Labour - it's a Labour majority

It was my ward I was talking about specifically

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014

 

[nessa239]

Yet you said that labour did what electorally in your town?

Labour won majority of seats

the double the conservative and UKIP thing was my ward

 

[butchersapron]

So why did you say town? Why make such a massively inaccurate statement?

 

[discokermit]

Uppal is Wolverhampton isn't he? Isn't discokermit from those parts?

yeh, what?

 

[nessa239]

And you'd have done so expecting there to be fewer cut services if they'd been elected?

Better management of the money would have been my expectation/they couldn't do any worse than Labour

 

[SpineyNorman]

Most seats were won by Labour - it's a Labour majority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2014

Yes I know, I don't dispute that fact. But that's not the same as labour outpolling UKIP/the Tories combined by 2-1. They didn't come anywhere near it. If I was even sadder than I am I'd aggregate the results to give a figure but I'm not.

 

[nessa239]

So why did you say town? Why make such a massively inaccurate statement?

Labour won with a sizeable majority of seats so it wasn't that wrong

if you want to go on about it though go ahead - I know it's what people go on forums for

 

[SpineyNorman]

Better management of the money would have been my expectation/they couldn't do any worse than Labour

On what do you base this opinion? Given that the Tories (and the ideologues in UKIP) have a commitment to reduced state provision I think that incredibly unlikely myself.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I know it's what people go on forums for

Please don't start that on this thread.