Characterising UKIP?
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articul8
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I didn't say it will wouldn't lead to any, but that its vote share will drop proportionately to the increase in turnout - because it has had the wind in its sails in the context of a set of European elections where those most inclined to find its message attractive came out.
Dogsauce
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It all depends if they're still the story in twelve months time or if the attention has waned a bit by then - my suspicion is that they would have been more motivated to come out for the euros (and more motivated generally) than the other parties, so proportionally might be a bit down come the general election. However, if polls look like certain seats are a possibility then they could rally there.
Labour will need to be the story come the election, if the media narrative is still about UKIP (even if only a few seats are possibilities) then it could take momentum/attention from Labour's campaign and not help them. The right wing press will be shilling for Cameron, the 'liberal' press busy shouting 'racist' at UKIP and beneath this noise Miliband struggling for attention.
Labour will need to be the story come the election, if the media narrative is still about UKIP (even if only a few seats are possibilities) then it could take momentum/attention from Labour's campaign and not help them. The right wing press will be shilling for Cameron, the 'liberal' press busy shouting 'racist' at UKIP and beneath this noise Miliband struggling for attention.
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nino_savatte
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UKIP =The Continuity Thatcherite Party.
SpineyNorman
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What part of the country is that?
West Midlands, Black Country area
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Supporting which party would be understandable?
SpineyNorman
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I'm not really famililiar with that part of the country tbh - my suspicion would be that the strength of labour there is historical, stemming from the history of manufacture in the area and the union organisation that would have accompanied it. That and people recognising that the Tories are a bunch of robbing bastards - even more so than labour - who hate the working class and won't do anything for you unless you're incredibly wealthy/went to Eton/both.
butchersapron
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Petty small minded community type. The sort of person people will vote for.
8ball
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Bloody local bastards!
Absolutely no further need for LDs; these folk can do dogshit just as well.
8ball
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I dunno, I'm going to have to look at a lot of photos of them looking glum next to dog shit and pot holes before making a judgment.
SpineyNorman
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I don't really understand what's funny about that video - the kind of stuff he's talking about (apart from the green belt stuff) reminds me of the kind of stuff my old man gets up to on the parish council where he lives (and it's made him very popuIar and quite right too) and not all that different from the kind of stuff that people used to support Dave Nellist for doing.
Our existing council at time of the election was Labour and they've more or less gone bust (managed the money very badly) and had to make loads of cuts that people were always commenting on in local paper. Local Labour-run council had a very bad name basically. Elections come round with chance to change the situation and what happens? Labour get in, with staggering majority! Where's the logic?? The people most likely to vote vote Labour is all I can think and those who moan are all hot air. Alternatively it was rigged - how would anyone know if it had been?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Green, then? Or maybe UKIP...or tory?
it's just the state of Council budget and lack of ability at managing the budget - you'd vote for anything but a repeat of the same basically! They've been closing libraries, threatened to close swimming baths, which has had a reprieve I think; all sorts of services cut back or cancelled - it's been appallingly managed. The city has a very bad image now - people avoid it. Shops not being able to afford rents etc. It's turned into a right dive that we only go into when absolutely necessary. Council don't seem to have a clue about how to regenerate it - having no money for the task being major factor, they spent a fortune on a new bus station though and a massive new Sainsburys is being built - how this is going to help I don't know. I think council is possibly corrupt behind the scenes - loads of backhanders and people just lining their pockets - this is how it seems to me, especially with Labour getting back in again on such a majority. It's as if people didn't realise the council was Labour not Tory and have blamed cuts on the Tories as opposed to evident Labour council mismanagement of budget.
butchersapron
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Thick and ignorant says private school and oxbridge graduate.
butchersapron
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Do you know how council funding works?
Saltley Gate was a long time ago, the Tories have done well in the W/M since then.
Yes, central government gives them a budget and I know those budgets have been cut but the way our council has run things you can tell they haven't got a clue regardless of any cuts. They've closed some libraries and are turning/have turned others in to 'community hubs'.
butchersapron
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So they don't just spend all the money - right? They literally cannot spend all the money.
Not in my city as regards council they haven't. Vote rigging would have to be suspected before anyone started checking. Local MP is Tory - Paul Uppal and I haven't been impressed - he toes party line every time you ask him to sign an EDM etc
SpineyNorman
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The cuts do come from the Tories though - only way the council can avoid them is by breaking the law. At the same time as making massive cuts (which are being aimed disproportionately at labour held councils in the north and midlands) the government has given councils additional responsibilities with no extra funds (in fact a massive reduction).
People are absolutely right to blame the government for the cuts - it's them who are making them. I'd also give some blame to the council for not breaking the law and refusing to pass them on but I'm guessing you wouldn't approve of that.
As for the Sainsbury's - I'd expect Sainsbury's are paying for the bulk of that (and the council will get additional tax money from it so it's not that stupid really). I'd have to look at the bus station specifically but sometimes earmarked funds are provided by the EU for developments like that, especially in areas needing regeneration. On the other hand, it might just really need a new one.
You say there's evident mismanagement of the budget by labour - what evidence are you talking about precisely (it may well be true, I don't know, but you're being very naive if you think the Tories would do any better).
If you don't like reduced services and decline you'd have to be utterly barking to vote for a Tory council.
Sorry I'm not sure what point you are making
butchersapron
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I thought labour outpolled your tories by 2 to 1?
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