Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group

[SpackleFrog]

It's almost as if they're exploiting anitisemitism in labour to use antiracism as progressive cover for their right wing agenda isn't it?

SURELY NOT

 

[Shechemite]

Not sure I follow you there? If you mean they're using her fuckup to deflect criticism over antisemitism I'm sure you're right?

Yes.

 

[Sprocket.]

I work with quite a few people from Stocksbridge, Deepcar and Penistone.
Nearly all vote Labour and all voted Leave. They have been saying for ages that if Angela Smith was the Labour candidate at the next GE they wouldn’t vote for her. Purely because she is a backstabber, they don’t trust her for not supporting Corbyn and asking for a second referendum.
If she’s got wind of this and her small majority, no wonder she walked.

 

[butchersapron]

Is Derek Hatton going to get Berger's seat?.

Yes, Derek Hatton is going to 'get' Berger's seat.

 

[SpackleFrog]

My point is, it's not that useful to say someone is racist.

Why do you call so many people racists then?

 

[Gramsci]

This is pretty damning.

30 MPs Discussed Quitting Labour, But The Chaos Of The New Independent Group Turned Them Off

Umunna, who has strong personal support in his Streatham constituency, which voted 79% Remain in the referendum, is seen as the most likely to succeed.

This ( quote from article) is debatable. Chuka unlike Kate Hoey does not stand up to Lambeth Council on behalf of constituents. He has never really opposed the Council "regeneration" scheme for Cressingham Gardens ( a well loved Council Estate).

Hoey has a lot of personal support, despite her being Brexit supporter, due to taking on the New Labour run Lambeth Council.

Chuka was originally seen as a poster boy for post Blairite Labour. Being member of Compass and opposing Iraq War.

Iraq led a lot of Labour party members to not renew membership.

He gradually moved to the right once elected. So never criticises Lambeth Council.

He was a rising star destined for higher things then Corbyn got elected. I remember one of my local Cllrs telling me how wonderful be was.

He has been having problems with his local constituency membership with the influx after Corbyn. ( old Labour returning and young people). recently argument about procedure of who has say in local constituency party. He did have a firm hold on the constituency party but this was under threat.

Friend said the New Labour lot ( young work in communications) would sit on one side of room at local party meetings and the old Labour plus young new members would sit on other side.

So I wouldn't say he is as popular as he was.

If he did stand in by election I reckon my friend and others in the local party would be all out canvassing for the official Labour candidate.

 

[Shechemite]

Is Derek Hatton going to get Berger's seat?.

He could rent out all their seats on a HMO basis

 

[SpackleFrog]

Is Derek Hatton going to get Berger's seat?.

YES. Bring back Degsy!

At least he'd wear a decent suit. See the state of the Scruffy Seven?

 

[Sprocket.]

Yes, Derek Hatton is going to 'get' Berger's seat.

I bet Stephen Kinnock and his dad are apoplectic.

 

[Sprocket.]

YES. Bring back Degsy!

At least he'd wear a decent suit. See the state of the Scruffy Seven?

The return of the (tailored) Mac.

 

[elbows]

Oops I just stuck this in the wrong thread by accident so I may as well post it here too where I originally meant to:

It seems that in the not too distant past, Angela was concerned about renationalising water, lest this development bring a funny tinge to the environment or the water.

In October 2018, Smith challenged the policy of her party over the proposed re-nationalisation of the domestic water sector. She argued that taking water out of private ownership risked 'cutting investment in the sector to raise environmental standards'. Smith’s register of interests for 2016 show that she and her husband, whom she employs as her senior parliamentary researcher, were treated to football matches and dinner three times by Whitehouse Construction, a subcontractor to Anglian Water.

Angela Smith (Sheffield MP) - Wikipedia

 

[Plumdaff]

If he did stand in by election I reckon my friend and others in the local party would be all out canvassing for the official Labour candidate.

If there's a by election Momentum will organise thousands to canvass against him. He's deluded.

 

[Sprocket.]

It would make my year if at this point Sinn Fein would take their seats in Westminster.

 

[ferrelhadley]

In a month only political nerds will remember this happened.

Labour is no closer and no further from being in a position to form a government. All of them bar Smith sit in comfortable Labour majorities. None of them a loss but seen as a victory for those round here who openly despise most of the British voters.

In short meh.

 

[butchersapron]

In a month only political nerds will remember this happened.

Labour is no closer and no further from being in a position to form a government. All of them bar Smith sit in comfortable Labour majorities. None of them a loss but seen as a victory for those round here who openly despise most of the British voters.

In short meh.

No mad scientist superior sausage rage this time? Losing your mojo?

 

[cantsin]

Yes, Derek Hatton is going to 'get' Berger's seat.

won't happen

 

[tim]

Ooh chuka i did a racism.

Seeing as the seventies are back and all.

in my beret*.

* Culturally appropriated item of Basque/Euskara headwear.

 

[xenon]

You shouldn't talk about someone in the self defined non racist party.. Sorry, group, who just about pulls back from the brink of saying something racist on telly because she's an old lady from Yorkshire and even if she is a little bit racist, like what they are up there, because there are some anti semites in the Labour party. Which none of you have ever mentioned, criticised or even know about til I told you.

Righto.

 

[Theisticle]

Glorious self-own from Skwawkbox

 

[elbows]

 

[Gramsci]

Here is background to when I said in post 694 that Chuka has recently had problems with his local party membership:

Umunna supporters: “he’ll leave and start own party if CLP votes AMM”. No denial.

As the SKWAWKBOX reported last night, there was drama in Streatham as Labour members voted by 190 to 183 to switch to all-member meetings (AMM) instead of the previous ‘general committee’ structure, which left-wing members say was being used by supporters of local MP Chuka Umunna to retain control of the CLP (constituency Labour party).

Those right-wing supporters made every effort to prevent the change – including an interesting threat.

Although the debate was generally good-tempered, irate Umunna-ites had already accused those wanting to switch of ‘conspiring to deselect Chuka’ – but the recriminations escalated further.

Streatham members told the SKWAWKBOX that Mr Umunna’s supporters threatened that he would leave Labour and start his own party if AMM won. Umunna was present at the meeting.

 

[Shechemite]

Sarkar can fuck off and all

 

[Theisticle]

Ash also passed off the falsehood that their website was registered in 2015. Swkawkbox originated the claim and then deleted it.



Ash clip:

 

[8ball]

From what I’ve seen of the Magnificent Seven, they do seem like a bunch of execrable cunts.

 

[Lord Camomile]

If she’s got wind of this and her small majority, no wonder she walked.

This is one of the (many) bits I don't understand. How does being an independent help her any more?

I'm assuming those of the 7 who were looking at deselection are banking on their constituents voting for them even if the local Labour members won't (as hopeful/delusional as that might be...), but seems even more nuts with such a slim majority.

 

[elbows]

From what I’ve seen of the Magnificent Seven, they do seem like a bunch of execrable cunts.

The seven deadly sins.

 

[redsquirrel]

Nah too shit to be deadly, seven mildly uncomfortable bad points.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

So where are we? Been in my sick bed all day. Looks like Chukka and six people even less well known than him have quit cos Jezza. Yet one is blaming it on anti-semitism in spite of her record of crying wolf on that issue and another is proclaiming to be pissed by racism in the party, a problem she has solved by leaving the party. And Chukka, dimwit who joins the Labour Party when he’s a sodding Tory.

Is this where were are now?

 

[butchersapron]

This is one of the (many) bits I don't understand. How does being an independent help her any more?

I'm assuming those of the 7 who were looking at deselection are banking on their constituents voting for them even if the local Labour members won't (as hopeful/delusional as that might be...), but seems even more nuts with such a slim majority.

Only two are young and egotistical enough to put themselves up again.

 

[butchersapron]

So where are we? Been in my sick bed all day. Looks like Chukka and six people even less well known than him have quit cos Jezza. Yet one is blaming it on anti-semitism in spite of her record of crying wolf on that issue and another is proclaiming to be pissed by racism in the party, a problem she has solved by leaving the party. And Chukka, dimwit who joins the Labour Party when he’s a sodding Tory.

Is this where were are now?

And wookey is a racist.