Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group

[Shechemite]

For anything

Where’s the fun in that?

 

[Wookey]

Chuka or wookey?

butchersapron You turn shit-stirring into an art form.

No, it's not an exaggeration. She was referring to the colour of people's skin. Tinge is another way of saying colour or hue. Non White people are funny coloured to her.

My mum describes black people as coloured, because to her that's the polite term - black is what you say when you want to be dismissive or rude. The last thing she'd want to be is racist, but she was made in a hellish racist world and you can tell.

It's born of another time, obviously, but it stems entirely from a world where nigh on everyone was white, and people who weren't white stood out like sore thumbs, and were notable, exotic, remembered. That was not that long ago in the north of England, our settled cultures have traditionally been very, very, pale white.

 

[Lord Camomile]

 

[Shechemite]

butchersapron You turn shit-stirring into an art form.


My mum describes black people as coloured, because to her that's the polite term - black is what you say when you want to be dismissive or rude. The last thing she'd want to be is racist, but she was made in a hellish racist world and you can tell.

It's born of another time, obviously, but it stems entirely from a world where nigh on everyone was white, and people who weren't white stood out like sore thumbs, and were notable, exotic, remembered. That was not that long ago in the north of England, our settled cultures have traditionally been very, very, pale white.

Jesus

 

[eatmorecheese]

butchersapron You turn shit-stirring into an art form.


My mum describes black people as coloured, because to her that's the polite term - black is what you say when you want to be dismissive or rude. The last thing she'd want to be is racist, but she was made in a hellish racist world and you can tell.

It's born of another time, obviously, but it stems entirely from a world where nigh on everyone was white, and people who weren't white stood out like sore thumbs, and were notable, exotic, remembered. That was not that long ago in the north of England, our settled cultures have traditionally been very, very, pale white.

Christ

 

[Shechemite]

Jesus

Christ

Surperstar?

 

[danny la rouge]

you insulted me by saying I was an apologist for racism

It’s not an insult. You literally wrote an apologism. This is it ->

It was a garbled sentence, fuck knows where her head was going. But she isn't a racist.

Piccaninnies and watermelon smiles. That's where you want to aim your ire, imo.

 

[belboid]

butchersapron You turn shit-stirring into an art form.


My mum describes black people as coloured, because to her that's the polite term - black is what you say when you want to be dismissive or rude. The last thing she'd want to be is racist, but she was made in a hellish racist world and you can tell.

It's born of another time, obviously, but it stems entirely from a world where nigh on everyone was white, and people who weren't white stood out like sore thumbs, and were notable, exotic, remembered. That was not that long ago in the north of England, our settled cultures have traditionally been very, very, pale white.

She;s been a Labour Party member for forty years, an English teacher, and an MP for 14 years. If, after all that, she still thinks about 'funny tinges' she is utterly hopeless.

 

[Sue]

For this thread?

Well if you're going to resign from a political party and set up a new outfit with a press conference billed as a 'major announcement on the future of British politics', a wee bit of preparation/thought about what it's all for/about might be an idea, if only so it doesn't go car crash when someone asks you some basic questions about it.

(I reckon with insights like this, a future in spindoctoring beckons...)

 

[tonysingh]

Fucks sake, I'm meant to be reading for an Open University essay on the art of Benin and cross cultural encounters (I think) but this thread is far more entertaining. If I get low marks, I blame Urban.

Also, Wookie, time to quit mate. Coloured is a fucking awful term to use to describe people.

 

[SpineyNorman]

It was a garbled sentence, fuck knows where her head was going. But she isn't a racist.

Piccaninnies and watermelon smiles. That's where you want to aim your ire, imo.

Fucking hell.

 

[Treacle Toes]

butchersapron You turn shit-stirring into an art form.


My mum describes black people as coloured, because to her that's the polite term - black is what you say when you want to be dismissive or rude. The last thing she'd want to be is racist, but she was made in a hellish racist world and you can tell.

It's born of another time, obviously, but it stems entirely from a world where nigh on everyone was white, and people who weren't white stood out like sore thumbs, and were notable, exotic, remembered. That was not that long ago in the north of England, our settled cultures have traditionally been very, very, pale white.

Thank you for the most obvious and patronising history lesson possible. My mum's family are from Sunderland btw. My nan had only met one Black person in her life before she 1st came to London. Don't offer up lectures like that as if I can't possibly know those things, that's my family history too!

...but what does this have to do with describing people's skin colour as a 'funny tinge' now in 2019? On a day where you claim to be leaving the labour party because of racism.

 

[Shechemite]

Almost (well sort of) fisticuffs now on channel 4

 

[Shechemite]

It wasn’t the Phil Collins I thought it would be

 

[Wookey]

You haven't answered any of my questions about what kind of person uses expressions like she did, you can't offer one valid explanation for why a person would even think that way.

Inherited, casual racism from a mainly white working-class upbringing in Northern England? Mixed with bad media training, and a low threshold for rhetorical nuance. That's the reason, surely?

There are lots of Corbynite activists lining up the hate guns against these 7 MPs, to discredit them and minimise their allegations of institutional racism. They're being opportunistic and feigning horror at what this one MP said, rather than focus on the far more serious allegations that have been levelled today. I wonder how and why you are missing the bigger picture of left wing racism and anti-Semitism, which effects more people than "those who heard Angela fluff a line on the telly" and in many more serious ways.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Almost (well sort of) fisticuffs now on channel 4

Snow and Guru-Murthy finally giving the public what they want?

 

[SpineyNorman]

She's not my mate, she never gets a fucking round in, are you serious?!

She's a white working-class English person from Yorkshire. Without being regionalist and judgmental, by which I mean I'm going to be regionalist and judgmental, I'm pretty sure she's seven shades of racist. But if she knows that, and keeps it safely between her own two ears and nowhere else, then it's fuck all to do with me. I certainly think today there are bigger targets to be mad at than this MP.

And to be clear, you insulted me by saying I was an apologist for racism, and for telling me to shut up. It was nothing to do with dear Ange. My mate.

All Yorkshire proles are racist now too. Mate of Laurie penny's by any chance?

 

[Lord Camomile]

Inherited, casual racism from a mainly white working-class upbringing in Northern England? Mixed with bad media training, and a low threshold for rhetorical nuance. That's the reason, surely?

There are lots of Corbynite activists lining up the hate guns against these 7 MPs, to discredit them and minimise their allegations of institutional racism. They're being opportunistic and feigning horror at what this one MP said, rather than focus on the far more serious allegations that have been levelled today. I wonder how and why you are missing the bigger picture of left wing racism and anti-Semitism, which effects more people than "those who heard Angela fluff a line on the telly" and in many more serious ways.

To be fair, you've already said that you don't have any evidence for these serious allegations. Which are what, btw? Racism and anti-semitism, yes, but any specifics?

Also, you ironically made my point ahead of me: why are you excusing Smith's 'gaffe'? Why are you giving her the benefit of an "it isn't really her fault" backstory?

 

[Shechemite]

Inherited, casual racism from a mainly white working-class upbringing in Northern England? Mixed with bad media training, and a low threshold for rhetorical nuance. That's the reason, surely?

There are lots of Corbynite activists lining up the hate guns against these 7 MPs, to discredit them and minimise their allegations of institutional racism. They're being opportunistic and feigning horror at what this one MP said, rather than focus on the far more serious allegations that have been levelled today. I wonder how and why you are missing the bigger picture of left wing racism and anti-Semitism, which effects more people than "those who heard Angela fluff a line on the telly" and in many more serious ways.

It’s almost as if it’s possible to be against things out of principle

 

[Raheem]

It wasn’t the Phil Collins I thought it would be

That should be put in quotes on a sticker on the front of the next Phil Collins CD.

 

[Wookey]

Thank you for the most obvious and patronising history lesson possible. My mum's family are from Sunderland btw. My nan had only met one Black person in her life before she 1st came to London. Don't offer up lectures like that as if I can't possibly know those things, that's my family history too!

...but what does this have to do with describing people's skin colour as a 'funny tinge' now in 2019? On a day where you claim to be leaving the labour party because of racism.

You are so very easy to patronise, I can't help it!

It wasn't a lecture, I wasn't trying to patronise you, just sharing a thing. If you hear lecturing and patronising then that's what you're bringing to the table, not me. Ask yourself why that might be. Have some pride.

If you're offended by the term "funny tinge" or whatever her full sentence was going to be before she stopped saying it, then that's your prerogative. I think you're wasting time and energy with that particular quibble, certainly mine, if not your own.

 

[neonwilderness]

Inherited, casual racism from a mainly white working-class upbringing in Northern England? Mixed with bad media training, and a low threshold for rhetorical nuance. That's the reason, surely?

There are plenty of white working class people in the north who aren’t racist

Her media training must have been pretty bad if she even considered saying that. That’s probably Corbyn’s fault too though.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Inherited, casual racism from a mainly white working-class upbringing in Northern England? Mixed with bad media training, and a low threshold for rhetorical nuance. That's the reason, surely?

You do understand that internalised, casual racism is still racism don't you?

I wonder how and why you are missing the bigger picture of left wing racism and anti-Semitism, which effects more people than "those who heard Angela fluff a line on the telly" and in many more serious ways.

Oh she fluffed her lines now did she? We are back to you pretending what she said isn't actually racist?

I am not missing anything and you are being a complete dick by accusing me of such. I can comment on this as much as I like and that doesn't mean I don't care about or take an interest in other things.

Oh and for the record, fuck off referring to the serious effects of racism. You have a bloody nerve given you clearly don't actually understand what racism is and have repeatedly tried to wookey-splain it away on this thread.

Adds to the irony of these arseholes claiming to be anti-racist and you defending them in fact.

You've outed yourself as a complete arsehole with this.

 

[SpineyNorman]

You are so very easy to patronise, I can't help it!

It wasn't a lecture, I wasn't trying to patronise you, just sharing a thing. If you hear lecturing and patronising then that's what you're bringing to the table, not me. Ask yourself why that might be. Have some pride.

If you're offended by the term "funny tinge" or whatever her full sentence was going to be before she stopped saying it, then that's your prerogative. I think you're wasting time and energy with that particular quibble, certainly mine, if not your own.

This is quite special. I don't think he even realises just what a colossal bell end he's coming across as.

 

[Pickman's model]

Where’s the fun in that?

Not looking an utter shitferbrains wankstain like Wookey

 

[Shechemite]

Not looking an utter shitferbrains wankstain like Wookey

Tbf he’s been preparing for that for a while

 

[binka]

This is quite special. I don't think he even realises just what a colossal bell end he's coming across as.

It's all really weird why would he choose this hill to die on? No one else is even trying to offer up a defence like this I don't get it

 

[Shechemite]

leave off Wookey , it’s clesrly (again) everyone elses fault

 

[SpackleFrog]

She's not my mate, she never gets a fucking round in, are you serious?!

She's a white working-class English person from Yorkshire. Without being regionalist and judgmental, by which I mean I'm going to be regionalist and judgmental, I'm pretty sure she's seven shades of racist. But if she knows that, and keeps it safely between her own two ears and nowhere else, then it's fuck all to do with me. I certainly think today there are bigger targets to be mad at than this MP.

And to be clear, you insulted me by saying I was an apologist for racism, and for telling me to shut up. It was nothing to do with dear Ange. My mate.

Just so I'm sure I understand the world according to Wookey, you believe that we voted to leave the EU because the country is racist, and that the Labour Party is institutionally racist and anti-semitic, but you also think that all white working class people are 7 shades of racist, but you don't think she's a racist? Presumably because she's quite middle class and didn't mean to do a racism, she's just incompetent?

 

[SpineyNorman]

Don't worry black and funny tinged BAME people. She is sort of racist but it's not her fault and she'll at least try and keep it quiet on TV interviews.

What the fuck are you complaining about?