Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group

[butchersapron]

Phil Holmes, ex Pickett manager/promoter

all over the Echo

Phil hayes?

 

[brogdale]

Yes. London Assembly politics

You mean that Khan gave her a job.

 

[treelover]

Sorry, yes,

 

[Lord Camomile]

While there's a certain logic to that, wouldn't any further resignations face accusations of being disingenuous (I know, I know...) for not leaving now? Like, if you're going to leave on principles, just fucking leave, otherwise it looks all the more political stunt.

 

[butchersapron]

While there's a certain logic to that, wouldn't any further resignations face accusations of being disingenuous (I know, I know...) for not leaving now? Like, if you're going to leave on principles, just fucking leave, otherwise it looks all the more political stunt.

This is the lot mate.

 

[philosophical]

You mean that Khan gave her a job.

Is that what I mean?

 

[danny la rouge]

This is the lot mate.

Yup. If these are the best who could do the press conference, there’s nobody being held back.

 

[inva]

While there's a certain logic to that, wouldn't any further resignations face accusations of being disingenuous (I know, I know...) for not leaving now? Like, if you're going to leave on principles, just fucking leave, otherwise it looks all the more political stunt.

presumably you'd lead with your big names, so if this is the big names can there really be any smaller names waiting in the wings?

 

[Lord Camomile]

presumably you'd lead with your big names, so if this is the big names can there really be any smaller names waiting in the wings?

This is a fair point.

Would you not want to hold back some big names though, just to keep momentum going rather than it being seen as an ever-dwindling procession of "who"s?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is this an unfinished post?

no, i am asking you to make the case you said could be made.

 

[DotCommunist]

did they have any entrance music?

 

[Libertad]

A series of by elections on the same day is what I am getting at.

Then you should have said so.

 

[Pickman's model]

Never been a fan of Corbyn, though he got better, but I have lost faith in Team Corbyn and Momentum, etc, too much student type politics, not robust enough on challenging welfare reform, etc, still holding out for John McDonnell

always had you down as more of a tory tbh

 

[brogdale]

Is that what I mean?

s'what she did; resign to become one of Khan's deputies

 

[moochedit]

did they have any entrance music?

Like vader's theme?

 

[butchersapron]

This is a fair point.

Would you not want to hold back some big names though, just to keep momentum going rather than it being seen as an ever-dwindling procession of "who"s?

They tried and failed with that strategy with resignations from the shadow cabinet. And this time they have even less resources to rely on to keep stuff ticking over. Their single resource in fact is the media. And that needs big names. They have 1/4 of one and have now played that card.

 

[Pickman's model]

did they have any entrance music?

 

[DotCommunist]

Like vader's theme?

theres normally a tune isn't there. Party colours, a new name and a song. A slogan or two. But this is no party, so no colours, no tune and no slogans. Just those Origin Stories

 

[moochedit]

Like vader's theme?

Actually benny hill would be more appropriate.

 

[inva]

This is a fair point.

Would you not want to hold back some big names though, just to keep momentum going rather than it being seen as an ever-dwindling procession of "who"s?

not if it means your opening gambit being a procession of "who"s, i would've thought

 

[Shechemite]

I can’t see this new party being successful myself

 

[Spymaster]

This thread illustrates perfectly how Urban isn't representative of labour supporters.

My and many of my friends are of the left but don't like Corbyn or brexit. A lot here would say we're not really of the left. But I stand with Wookey in being disappointed by Corbyn

I'm now clearing my inbox ready for the abusive PMs

It'll be interesting to see who, if anyone, else joins them. But they haven't set up a party and they're all lightweights. They need to get Maajid Nawas and Sadiq on board!

 

[Pickman's model]

So how long before Blair backs them? I reckon in time for the evening news.

i don't like chuka or the rest but i don't think i could wish being backed by blair on anyone

 

[danny la rouge]

I can’t see this new party being successful myself

It isn’t a party.

 

[Spymaster]

I can’t see this new party being successful myself

It's not a party, is it. They're all independents.

 

[Lord Camomile]

They tried and failed with that strategy with resignations from the shadow cabinet. And this time they have even less resources to rely on to keep stuff ticking over. Their single resource in fact is the media. And that needs big names. They have 1/4 of one and have now played that card.

not if it means your opening gambit being a procession of "who"s, i would've thought

Aye, fair enough. Some people poking Watson, but I guess he ain't going anywhere.

I can’t see this new party being successful myself

It's not a new party! It's a 'group'

 

[moochedit]

theres normally a tune isn't there. Party colours, a new name and a song. A slogan or two. But this is no party, so no colours, no tune and no slogans. Just those Origin Stories

I haven't actually seen it yet (at work). Just reading about it on here.

 

[Pickman's model]

It'll be interesting to see who, if anyone, else joins them. But they haven't set up a party and they're all lightweights. They need to get Maajid Nawas and Sadiq on board!

then they would be the helium of the political world

 

[Pickman's model]

It's not a party, is it. They're all independents.

all independents together

 

[Lord Camomile]

Said everyone.