Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group

[Wookey]

The measure of these people

Of course Corbyn was fully aware of the trajectory of the knife, and it's precise landing place, having been completely briefed on today's move long before any of us were. So the "surprise" element of a knife in the back isn't really warranted. Can I have "slap in the face" instead? A "big wet 6 o' clock news slap in the mush"?

 

[Argonia]

There should be seven by elections. Which they would lose.

 

[brogdale]

Of course Corbyn was fully aware of the trajectory of the knife, and it's precise landing place, having been completely briefed on today's move long before any of us were. So the "surprise" element of a knife in the back isn't really warranted. Can I have "slap in the face" instead? A "big wet 6 o' clock news slap in the mush"?

No, you were (unintentionally ?) quite correct; this is a knife in the back of all those that voted, campaigned and worked hard to get these people elected as LP MPs.

 

[Wookey]

Pretty much everything you've written here is wrong.

Are you sure?? That would be uncharacteristically consistent for me.

 

[Raheem]

I was deeply moved by the one in the press conference who told the story of how, at the age of 11, she was briefly put in the second stream at school. That sort of injustice just makes me so cross.

 

[tim]

A long overdue knife in the back for Corbyn. The timing is interesting, to say the least.

If a clever Jewish lady tells you the party she belongs to is institutionally anti-Semitic, I wonder how loudly she has to say it before she's listened to? It would appear she has to say it this loud.

If MPs who have given their whole working lives to a political party decide to leave it as they approach retirement, that speaks to me of the depths of those MPs disquiet, and concern.

Corbyn has made himself unelectable, from a pretty weak position to start with. But worse than that, he's allowed extremism to flourish in certain factions of the party, Lexit daydreams, the kind of accusatory and bitter voices you'll find above this post. It's not my Labour and it's not going to unseat the worst Tory party of all time ever.

And I applaud these 7 for their conscience and courage, it's been a while since I saw politicians doing the right thing rather than the expedient thing. This is huge.

If Berger strikes you as clever, it says volumes about you.

 

[tommers]

There should be seven by elections. Which they would lose.

And which they very conspicuously dodged the question about.

They were elected as Labour MPs. They are no longer Labour MPs.

integrity.

 

[Lord Camomile]

It's not my Labour and it's not going to unseat the worst Tory party of all time ever.

New Labour wasn't Labour for a lot of people. Yes, I realise they did have quite a lot of support at the start, but that was arguably by becoming something that wasn't really Labour. Certainly, my dad was one of the ones who left the Labour party during the Blair years because he didn't consider them to be a party of the left any more.

 

[TopCat]

A long overdue knife in the back for Corbyn. The timing is interesting, to say the least.

If a clever Jewish lady tells you the party she belongs to is institutionally anti-Semitic, I wonder how loudly she has to say it before she's listened to? It would appear she has to say it this loud.

If MPs who have given their whole working lives to a political party decide to leave it as they approach retirement, that speaks to me of the depths of those MPs disquiet, and concern.

Corbyn has made himself unelectable, from a pretty weak position to start with. But worse than that, he's allowed extremism to flourish in certain factions of the party, Lexit daydreams, the kind of accusatory and bitter voices you'll find above this post. It's not my Labour and it's not going to unseat the worst Tory party of all time ever.

And I applaud these 7 for their conscience and courage, it's been a while since I saw politicians doing the right thing rather than the expedient thing. This is huge.

Your entire world view is shit.

 

[TopCat]

Are you sure?? That would be uncharacteristically consistent for me.

Nah you were always full of shit .

 

[Wookey]

No, you were (unintentionally) quite correct; this is a knife in the back of all those that voted, campaigned and worked hard to get these people elected as LP MPs.

They can get their own back at the ballot box, isn't that the system?

Would you expect people to pay party membership fees for what they believe is now a racist party, isn't that a line being crossed??

 

[Kaka Tim]

from elsewhere on t'interweb -

"you gotta love it when the trash takes itself out"

 

[butchersapron]

No, you were (unintentionally ?) quite correct; this is a knife in the back of all those that voted, campaigned and worked hard to get these people elected as LP MPs.

But wookey speaks for those people.

 

[TopCat]

From now on when I curl one out it will be referred to as a wooky.

 

[moochedit]

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come out and say moochedit you sly shit Wookey

 

[Wookey]

Your entire world view is shit.

Just gonna quote that, and leave it hanging there, in all it's misanthropic glory. That's how low you've sunk.

 

[butchersapron]

I wonder what wookey thinks of the lib-dems being elected on selling a very specific platform and then doing the opposite of that platform? Would he argue that this is the system working perfectly as he does here? I wonder what his past arguments on this were.

 

[tim]

Just gonna quote that, and leave it hanging there, in all it's misanthropic glory. That's how low you've sunk.

Sunk! We're swimming up to pull you down.

 

[danny la rouge]

Would you expect people to pay party membership fees for what they believe is now a racist party

Yes, that's right. People should be made to pay membership fees to racist parties.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Would you expect people to pay party membership fees for what they believe is now a racist party, isn't that a line being crossed??

Honest question, as I've really just been ignoring a lot of the mess: how has Labour become a racist party? What new policies or messages have come about? Or is it a case of "the racists were always there and now they feel emboldened?". Or "racists have taken over the party?" In which case, again, how has that actually manifested itself?

As I say, genuine question. I know there's been a lot of shit thrown around on the internet, and some have trouble with Corbyn's past, but I'm still not sure I see the link between that and how the Labour party as an institution is racist/anti-Semitic.

 

[DotCommunist]

Pretty much everything you've written here is wrong.

Although I like the imagery of, 'they were only one day from retirement!'

the 'this is huge' bit made me laugh though. These 7 have been on thier way out the door or ages, they can't even be bothered to launch a new party and are going to survive briefly on media boosting alone. This day shall be spoken of in hushed tone by future students

 

[sunnysidedown]

Can I have "slap in the face" instead? A "big wet 6 o' clock news slap in the mush"?

you could certainly do with one you tedious gibbon.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Your entire world view is shit.

Harsh but fair.

 

[philosophical]

When my previous MP, Heidi Alexander, moved to London political work it triggered a by-election in Lewisham East.
There is certainly a case for all 'independence ' MP's, elected on a Labour ticket, to resign en mass and trigger a mini General Election.

 

[butchersapron]

Please don't let wookey make the question of standing down as MPs being about labour party members rather than the voters who elected these people on the basis of them being labour candidates . This should not even be in doubt for a second, but such is the fawning back slapping nature of our paternal parliamentary system where MPs are effectively in loco parentis for their dimwitted morally and intellectually irresponsible constituents that it produces this sort of paternal bullshit for soppy liberals to regurgitate as a principle.

 

[Pickman's model]

When my previous MP, Heidi Alexander, moved to London political work it triggered a by-election in Lewisham East.

isn't lewisham east in london?

ah - i see you've missed some important words out

 

[JimW]

They could go with "Chukka's Muckers" and wait for the rhymes to pour in.

 

[Pickman's model]

There is certainly a case for all 'independence ' MP's, elected on a Labour ticket, to resign en mass and trigger a mini General Election.

go on then, make it

 

[Pickman's model]

They could go with "Chukka's Muckers" and wait for the rhymes to pour in.

it'd be like on up pompeii and they'd need help to think of the rhymes

 

[butchersapron]

you could certainly do with one you tedious gibbon.

I am going to quote this.