Captain America: Civil War

[The Octagon]

Or as it's now looking, Avengers 2.5, released April 29th. Plenty of superhero fatigue around, but I'm still finding these films tremendously entertaining.

New Trailer:





Winter Soldier was probably the best Marvel film to date (in terms of action and storyline) so I'm looking forward to seeing what the Russo Brothers do with this.

It looks a lot less 'quippy' than previous films too, no bad thing considering the subject matter.

 

[Reno]

So far the Captain America films were the ones I enjoyed to most among the Marvel films. I liked the first Captain America film too, it's a better Indiana Jones style film than at least two of the Raiders sequels and it did a great job of making sense of the character of Captain America.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Another spoilerific trailer there but we knew spidey was gonna show up in this one somewhere.

 

[DexterTCN]

The best so far have been Avengers, Iron Man I and Winter Soldier.

Spidey sounds like a teenager, wonder if they'll kill him.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

Spidey sounds like a teenager, wonder if they'll kill him.

Have you read the Civil War comic books?

 

[DexterTCN]

No.

 

[CNT36]

The best so far have been Avengers, Iron Man I and Winter Soldier.

Spidey sounds like a teenager, wonder if they'll kill him.

I don't know but his get up nearly made me throw up.

 

[Reno]

The best so far have been Avengers, Iron Man I and Winter Soldier.

Spidey sounds like a teenager, wonder if they'll kill him.

He is a teenager in the comic books and no, they are not going to kill him because a Spider-Man movie as part of the Marvel Universe films is already in the works. If anything Andrew Garfield was far too old for the role, so it makes sense to cast him with someone of the age he is in the comic.

I don't know but his get up nearly made me throw up.

I think the costume looks far better than the "high tech" Amazing Spider-Man look and it looks a little more like what a cash strapped teenager could whip up with a bit of spandex in his bedroom.

 

[The Octagon]

Wouldn't be surprised if that's a suit Stark whipped up for him (the mechanical eyes suggest so)

 

[Gromit]

So pitting Superhero v Superhero is the thing right now.

Whose next?

 

[Nanker Phelge]

The comics have been pitting hero against hero for decades. It's nothing new.

 

[Gromit]

The comics have been pitting hero against hero for decades. It's nothing new.

Putting it on film is the new Hollywood fad though.

Superman v Batman
Avengers v Avengers
Arrow v The Flash in an ep of The Arrow
The Flash v The Arrow in an ep of The Flash. (Just so they could both score victory for their respective fans).

 

[DotCommunist]

Wouldn't be surprised if that's a suit Stark whipped up for him (the mechanical eyes suggest so)

he initially teams up on starks side of the fight to get a swag new suit then switches sides to join with captain nationalism because spiderman is a devious little fuck. And they'll never kill a character who sells as much merch as spidey does. Whover suggested that is mad

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Timeline wise the films are kind of in keeping with the comics...so it was just a matter of time.

 

[Reno]

Putting it on film is the new Hollywood fad though.

I assume you have seen none of the X-Men films.

 

[Gromit]

I assume you have seen none of the X-Men films.

That's superheroes v super villains who start off fighting each other and ironically are now teaming up.

 

[joustmaster]

So pitting Superhero v Superhero is the thing right now.

Whose next?

Doctor who vs grotbags.

 

[Reno]

That's superheroes v super villains who start off fighting each other and ironically are now teaming up.

No the year are not. They are two factions of opposing political approaches and viewpoints. Characters constantly change sides and everybody has their reasons. The real villains in the X-Men films have always been human conservatives and the mutants who collaborate with them. That should have become at least clear by the second film when the two mutant faction come together for the first time.

Seems like the political allegory of the series has escaped you.

 

[Gromit]

From the human PoV the heroes are Prof X and crew who defend humans as they believe in peaceful co-existence.

The villains are Magneto and crew who because of a few bad human apples see the whole of mankind as the enemy.

Occasionally the threat from the 'bad apples' forces them to put their philosophical differences aside.

 

[DotCommunist]

how do you work that one out genius, the humans hate and fear xaviers crew as much as they do magnetos

 

[DotCommunist]

probably my fave Magneto quote to get an idea of where his head is at. Not anywhere pleasant

 

[Reno]

From the human PoV the heroes are Prof X and crew who defend humans as they believe in peaceful co-existence.

The villains are Magneto and crew who because of a few bad human apples see the whole of mankind as the enemy.

Occasionally the threat from the 'bad apples' forces them to put their philosophical differences aside.

The PoV of the X-Men comics and films aren't the humans, who at best are always just supporting characters. As always you are missing the point by miles.

 

[Gromit]

The PoV of the X-Men comics and films aren't the humans, who at best are always just supporting characters. As always you are missing the point by miles.

I'm a human. So are you. You are missing the point.

Or do you think u are a mutant?

Superman is told from the PoV of Superman. It's still his relation to humans that defines whether he is hero or villain.

 

[Reno]

I'm a human. So are you. You are missing the point.

Or do you think u are a mutant?

Superman is told from the PoV of Superman. It's still his relation to humans that defines whether he is hero or villain.

The X-Men has always been an allegory for various civil rights movements. As a gay man I identify far more closely with the mutants in the series that I do with the humans, because the mutants stand in for a variety of minorities who have been discriminated against. This about sums it up:



The scene is specific to the gay rights struggle and addresses that homophobes would rather we'd stay in the closet and not be seen or or heard. However a political allegory like X-Men is there to make all audiences understand what it's like to be oppressed. Minorities and non-minorities are supposed to primarily identify with the mutant characters, rather than with the humans on the sidelines. The entire concept of allegory is lost on you if you claim that as a human you are supposed to identify with the human characters. I suppose with Animal Farm, rather than identifying with the suffering farm animals, you'd claim we should identify with the humans, who only ever make brief appearances to slaughter the animals.

 

[Gromit]

The best so far have been Avengers, Iron Man I and Winter Soldier.

Spidey sounds like a teenager, wonder if they'll kill him.

Just realized that supposedly this film gives a sneak peek of the next Spiderman. That squeaky voice teenager voice is Tom Holland from Kingston upon Thames.

What happened to the idea of the next spiderman being Miles Morales instead of Peter Parker based? Thats what i was expecting.

 

[SpookyFrank]

That's two British Spidermen in a row now.

But yeah it would be good to see the Miles Morales spiderman. I guess the reason they didn't do that is that they wanted to skip the whole origin story bit which has already been done to death with the Peter Parker character.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's superheroes v super villains who start off fighting each other and ironically are now teaming up.

No, it's heroes who start off working with each other, spend a lot of time fighting each other, then join forces as and when to see off greater threats.

 

[ViolentPanda]

From the human PoV the heroes are Prof X and crew who defend humans as they believe in peaceful co-existence.

The villains are Magneto and crew who because of a few bad human apples see the whole of mankind as the enemy.

Occasionally the threat from the 'bad apples' forces them to put their philosophical differences aside.

It's about the choice between totalitarianism and democracy.

 

[DotCommunist]

It's about the choice between totalitarianism and democracy.

I'd say it goes a little deeper than that. Magneto is a product of his youth and he was brutally inscribed with the idea that Might is Right. His entire philosophy and that of his followers is one of superiority driven by anger at subjugation, rejection, othering. Xavier is in this fable then his polar opposite. Power must be used for good. Humans must come to understand us. etc.

 

[Gromit]

No, it's heroes who start off working with each other, spend a lot of time fighting each other, then join forces as and when to see off greater threats.

Oh shit yeah you're right. I forgot that prequel pants.