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[Sasaferrato]

'Explosive' thrown at Gerry Adams' house

I saw that. He described as reckless and cowardly, or words to that effect.

A bit different when the bomb is outside your house Gerry? I suppose the bombs set by the IRA don't fall into the 'reckless and cowardly' category? Hypocritical piece of shit.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I saw that. He described as reckless and cowardly, or words to that effect.

A bit different when the bomb is outside your house Gerry? I suppose the bombs set by the IRA don't fall into the 'reckless and cowardly' category? Hypocritical piece of shit.

Mate, did you miss the news about the peace deal?

 

[Sasaferrato]

Mate, did you miss the news about the peace deal?

From what I gather from the posts on here from our Northern Ireland members, the 'Peace Deal' seems to have an element of smoke and mirrors.

Surely you can see the irony in the director of bombers complaining when it happens to him? It was a large firework according to the police.

There are many things I dislike, but few I truly hate. Bombers come into the 'truly hate' group for me, there is a special place in hell for the scum.

 

[krtek a houby]

I saw that. He described as reckless and cowardly, or words to that effect.

A bit different when the bomb is outside your house Gerry? I suppose the bombs set by the IRA don't fall into the 'reckless and cowardly' category? Hypocritical piece of shit.

There's a peace process going on - there's no excuse for violence or the threat of. Be it from dissidents or loyalists.

He's entitled to live his life without fear of him or his family being targetted, whatever you think of the man.

 

[Poi E]

Bombers come into the 'truly hate' group for me, there is a spacial place in hell for the scum.

I quite agree.

 

[Sasaferrato]

There's a peace process going on - there's no excuse for violence or the threat of. Be it from dissidents or loyalists.

He's entitled to live his life without fear of him or his family being targetted, whatever you think of the man.

I agree.

Surely though, you can see the irony of a bomber complaining they have been bombed? The placing of a bomb, peace process or not, is a cowardly act, one which can never be justified.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I quite agree.

<Sigh>

 

[krtek a houby]

I agree.

Surely though, you can see the irony of a bomber complaining they have been bombed? The placing of a bomb, peace process or not, is a cowardly act, one which can never be justified.

Perhaps if the security forces and loyalists had not terrorised his community so much, there may not have been any of these bombings. Don't forget, Mandela was an alleged bomber, too. Would you see him as a coward?

 

[Sasaferrato]

Perhaps if the security forces and loyalists had not terrorised his community so much, there may not have been any of these bombings. Don't forget, Mandela was an alleged bomber, too. Would you see him as a coward?

As far as I'm concerned the situation in Northern Ireland was a total clusterfuck.

It was handled badly by Westminster, a 'military' solution was never going to work, but so much had been committed that no government was going to just pull the army out because a. It would be seen as defeat and b. Heaven alone knows what would have happened.

I lost friends in NI, I was shot at (not a pleasant experience), we all wondered what the fuck we were doing there and were very glad to leave.

My only complaint about the peace process was that it hadn't happened sooner. Politicians have an unfortunate habit of thinking that it is so, and that makes it so. It doesn't.

Anyway, no one was hurt on this occasion, not that that makes it right.

From some of the posts on this thread though, it looks as if sectarian violence is on the rise, so the peace process is perhaps not as sound as thought.

 

[krtek a houby]

As far as I'm concerned the situation in Northern Ireland was a total clusterfuck.

It was handled badly by Westminster, a 'military' solution was never going to work, but so much had been committed that no government was going to just pull the army out because a. It would be seen as defeat and b. Heaven alone knows what would have happened.

I lost friends in NI, I was shot at (not a pleasant experience), we all wondered what the fuck we were doing there and were very glad to leave.

My only complaint about the peace process was that it hadn't happened sooner. Politicians have an unfortunate habit of thinking that it is so, and that makes it so. It doesn't.

Anyway, no one was hurt on this occasion, not that that makes it right.

From some of the posts on this thread though, it looks as if sectarian violence is on the rise, so the peace process is perhaps not as sound as thought.

The sectarian violence never really went away, unfortunately. And as for the peace process, there were overtures made for dialogue which were officially rejected at the time by the British govt. On the grounds that talking to terrorists was a non starter.

The problem with the marching season is that it is an atagonistic, triumphalist series of events that seem to be more about stoking up the fires of resentment than actual positive community based celebrations. It's a culture of hatred, for many.

 

[likesfish]

Tbf the peace process may have its faults but it beats the alternative.

Continue killing till Westminster gets bored the fact that Westminster wasn’t paying any attention most days.

There is something darkly humorous about Gerry complains about being bombed and asking for information about the perpetrators.

 

[Sasaferrato]

The sectarian violence never really went away, unfortunately. And as for the peace process, there were overtures made for dialogue which were officially rejected at the time by the British govt. On the grounds that talking to terrorists was a non starter.

The problem with the marching season is that it is an atagonistic, triumphalist series of events that seem to be more about stoking up the fires of resentment than actual positive community based celebrations. It's a culture of hatred, for many.

Until I went to NI, I regarded the Orange Order as a bit of a joke. I'd never lived anywhere that had an Orange march, it was all a bit oddball and harmless.

By fuck, how wrong a view was that.

 

[extra dry]

Its the Russians.

 

[krtek a houby]

Until I went to NI, I regarded the Orange Order as a bit of a joke. I'd never lived anywhere that had an Orange march, it was all a bit oddball and harmless.

By fuck, how wrong a view was that.

Orange marches that exist outside of the 6 counties tend to be relatively harmless and oddball. Good-natured, even. And that's the way to do it.

 

[Sue]

Orange marches that exist outside of the 6 counties tend to be relatively harmless and oddball. Good-natured, even. And that's the way to do it.

Tell that to people in the West of Scotland.

 

[krtek a houby]

Tell that to people in the West of Scotland.

Tbf, I did say "tend to be relatively harmless". I've not been to Scotland but have met a few sectarian lads from there, over the years. Each and every one of them spoiling for a fight.

Does the marching season there boil over as much as it does in parts of the 6 counties?

 

[Poi E]

I was clearing the yard and breaking up a pallet yesterday but suddenly had the urge to burn it. Northern German heritage, innit.

 

[Sue]

Tbf, I did say "tend to be relatively harmless". I've not been to Scotland but have met a few sectarian lads from there, over the years. Each and every one of them spoiling for a fight.

Does the marching season there boil over as much as it does in parts of the 6 counties?

I'm sure it's not as bad as in the North of Ireland but ime it's certainly not harmless or good natured either.

 

[krtek a houby]

I'm sure it's not as bad as in the North of Ireland but ime it's certainly not harmless or good natured either.

Scottish sectarianism doesn't get much coverage, hence my asking. I'm used to hearing about triumphalist marches down the Garavaghy Rd, or people intimidating young children on their way to school. So when marches (like in Donegal) pass without incident, that's a "positive" in my book. I seen a march in Chester many years ago (wasn't expecting that on my visit) and it was quiet compared to the images we'd see on UTV/RTE/BBC NI each year.

 

[likesfish]

there's one in Portsmouth which is a bit always thought they'd turn up in Lewis but then again nobody really means the anti-catholicism there

 

[Mordi]

I've always thought it a shame the Orange Order hasn't invited the Lodge from Ghana over.

 

[SpookyFrank]

There are many things I dislike, but few I truly hate. Bombers come into the 'truly hate' group for me, there is a special place in hell for the scum.

You were literally in the actual army.

 

[Sasaferrato]

You were literally in the actual army.

As you should know, and indeed do know, the bombers I refer to on this thread are the absolutely foul dregs of humanity who place bombs to kill innocent people. This was something the IRA and Protestant terrorist groups did. It was and is unforgivable, and if anyone deserves a place in hell, they do. Utter and absolute scum.

 

[YouSir]

As you should know, and indeed do know, the bombers I refer to on this thread are the absolutely foul dregs of humanity who place bombs to kill innocent people. This was something the IRA and Protestant terrorist groups did. It was and is unforgivable, and if anyone deserves a place in hell, they do. Utter and absolute scum.

Afghanistan, Iraq, Northern Ireland, nary an innocent soul killed by the British Army eh?

 

[SpookyFrank]

As you should know, and indeed do know, the bombers I refer to on this thread are the absolutely foul dregs of humanity who place bombs to kill innocent people. This was something the IRA and Protestant terrorist groups did. It was and is unforgivable, and if anyone deserves a place in hell, they do. Utter and absolute scum.

Iraq Body Count

 

[N_igma]

As you should know, and indeed do know, the bombers I refer to on this thread are the absolutely foul dregs of humanity who place bombs to kill innocent people.

Dresden.

 

[Poi E]

Dresden.

Nah Sas already thinks Bomber Harris was alright. Cos Coventry and stuff.

 

[N_igma]

Nah Sas already thinks Bomber Harris was alright. Cos Coventry and stuff.

Ah I see well the IRA were right because of centuries of oppression preceding their formation...go figure.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Dresden.

Great stuff. Is that really your best response?

Dresden was bombed in WWII, for reasons that at that time were judged valid. Hindsight is a wonderful tool, but still, there is division between historians as to whether the bombing of Dresden was justified or not.

There is no comparison between the actions of a nation at war, defending its very existence and sewer rat scum who placed the bomb in the chippie on the Shankill Road, killing eight innocent people and wounding 50. There is no defence for bombers, they were/are cowardly fucking scum.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Ah I see well the IRA were right because of centuries of oppression preceding their formation...go figure.

Oh, I know where your sympathies lie. That is something you will have to live with, assuming you have any vestige of a conscience.