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Campaign for a New Workers Party Declaration

rebel warrior said:
What should good orators look like? Bruce fucking Willis?
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More like wincey willis with your lot.
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Nigel Irritable said:
This presents some contrast with RESPECT, where the whole deal was cooked up by the SWP leaders, Galloway and a couple of Muslim "community leaders" behind closed doors, with everyone else excluded, and then presented to the rest of the world as a fait accomplis. I realise that concepts like open discussion and real debate are alien to your organisation Groucho, but please try and use whatever imagination you have.
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Except other put motions, spoke for and against motions, and even voted on RESPECT, including those of the SP who could be bothered to go and do so.
 
Tom A said:
What, not even the SWP? RESPEC' mebbe? Or your own Socialist Party? How about the Socialist Judean Peoples Front? Etc etc etc etc..... :p
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You haven't done that one for some time.

Oh how you make me chortle. Got any more? Especially ones I've never heard.
 
gurrier said:
* Absurd insofar as it is just ridiculous to launch a 'campaign' for a political party. What's effing stopping you from setting it up?
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I say this to Cockneyrebel every time he brings it up.

Who is the campaign aimed at? It's like you're demanding someone else actually set it up.

Shit, just seen how long the thread is... I'll wait until the end before commenting further...
 
Right, given that a few people and organisations are 'campaigning' for a new workers' party, why weren't they asked to sign the statement?

It just looks like a re-hash of several other attempts the SP have made at this thing.
 
I say this to Cockneyrebel every time he brings it up.

Who is the campaign aimed at? It's like you're demanding someone else actually set it up.
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Neither the SP or WP think that they can set up a new mass workers party by themselves, obviously. However practical steps have been made by both organisations. The SP have set up this initiative and it was a workers power member who put forward the resolution at the RMT national conference that resulted in the RMT meeting about working class representation being organised for this January. I think the success of a new party being formed and how well the SP initiative goes depends a lot on how well this meeting goes.
 
hardly anyone is allowed to go to this conference in January tho are they? I'd heard that Crow ws restricting it to RMT & maybe some other unins' execs, but no one else!
 
belboid said:
hardly anyone is allowed to go to this conference in January tho are they? I'd heard that Crow ws restricting it to RMT & maybe some other unins' execs, but no one else!
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You surprise me.

It surprises me also that no SP member or WP member has revealed this.

Maybe not.
 
hardly anyone is allowed to go to this conference in January tho are they? I'd heard that Crow ws restricting it to RMT & maybe some other unins' execs, but no one else!
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Do you know this for sure? The last I heard the RMT were considering opening the conference up. If what you've said above is the case that is a big step backwards.

And flimsier who can attend the conference is still being sorted out, so no-one knows for sure yet who can and can't go.
 
not for sure, but it is leaving it a bit late to open it up, loads of union branches miss eithe rdecember or january meetings, so chances of getting people delegated will be distinctly reduced.
 
not for sure, but it is leaving it a bit late to open it up, loads of union branches miss eithe rdecember or january meetings, so chances of getting people delegated will be distinctly reduced.
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I agree, and there is a real chance that this conference will be rail roaded by the bureacracy. A big shame if that's the case, because I think this conference could potentially lead to a real step forward.

The resolution that was passed at conference called for a conference on the need for a new workers party, so that's already been watered down. I suppose the positive thing is that it must have had real resonance with RMT delegates to get passed in the first place.
 
flimsier said:
You surprise me.

It surprises me also that no SP member or WP member has revealed this.

Maybe not.
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Socialist Party in "top-down" party building shocker! :eek:

;)

No doubt they'll want to make sure they set it up "right" before the rest of us get a look-in. Or indeed the rest of their own membership who aren't lucky enough to be on the PCS executive. Mind you, that's not that many, is it? :p
 
Socialist Party in "top-down" party building shocker!
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I think you've got mixed up here. Flimsier is talking about the RMT conference in January, and it's the RMT bureaucracy who will decide who can and can't go, not the Socialist Party.
 
cockneyrebel said:
Do you know this for sure? The last I heard the RMT were considering opening the conference up. If what you've said above is the case that is a big step backwards.

And flimsier who can attend the conference is still being sorted out, so no-one knows for sure yet who can and can't go.
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Isn't the Workers Power line on Bob Crow that he is a 'Stalinist' 'rat'?
 
Isn't the Workers Power line on Bob Crow that he is a 'Stalinist' 'rat'?
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Bob Crow does come from a stalinist background. Dunno why you're talking about rats though :confused:

However while he is one of the best trade union leaders about at the moment, that doesn't mean he's beyond criticism and he is part of the RMT bureaucracy. What's your point anyway, or maybe you could give us another attempt at humour and post up another hilarious post about a sixth international.
 
cockneyrebel said:
Bob Crow does come from a stalinist background. Dunno why you're talking about rats though :confused: .
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Oh I think you do - or don't you read your paper? I know it is not the most interesting thing to read out there - but in WP 283 (Feb 2004) it says the following in a report of the founding conference of Respect:

But where was the most awkward of the awkward squad, Bob Crow of the RMT? Where too was George Monbiot? Words like "rats" and "sinking ship" come to mind.
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http://www.workerspower.com/index.php?id=29,192,0,0,1,0
 
You really are a gormless muppet RW. The phrase rats leaving a sinking ship is a phrase, it doesn't literally mean you think someone is a rat.
 
cockneyrebel said:
You really are a gormless muppet RW. The phrase rats leaving a sinking ship is a phrase, it doesn't literally mean you think someone is a rat.
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Hmm... I am sure there are less offensive metaphors WP could have used to make the point...

Not there there is much of a point to make of course - if Respect was a 'sinking ship' in Feb 2004, the fact that it is still apparently afloat and going full steam ahead in November 2005 seems to suggest it is taking a fucking long time to sink...
 
Hmm... I am sure there are less offensive metaphors WP could have used to make the point...
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Yeah what an offensive phrase rats leaving a sinking ship is. If you think that is offensive all I can say is that you have led a very sheltered life. As said you're a gormless muppet.

Considering an SWP organiser in Leeds threatened to kick someones head into the pavement on the last anti-fascist demo I thought you'd be used to worse. This wouldn't be so bad if the person they were threatening wasn't on the anti-fascist side of the demo.....

And RESPECT and the SWP don't seem exactly all steam ahead at the moment do they. The latest conference just highlighted what a joke RESPECT is and how fucked the SWP is becoming because of it.
 
cockneyrebel said:
Considering an SWP organiser in Leeds threatened to kick someones head into the pavement on the last anti-fascist demo I thought you'd be used to worse. This wouldn't be so bad if the person they were threatening wasn't on the anti-fascist side of the demo.....
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why and who? pm if you want, i hadnt heard about this...
 
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