Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?

[littlebabyjesus]

I think removing meat from the diets of prisoners is an excellent idea!

fyi, this is the post you liked. Exclamation point and everything.

And you really have your head in the sand if you think that the solution to the climate crisis is to stop eating meat. You do know that this isn't true, yes? That the burning of fossil fuels is the driver of climate heating? If only it were that fucking easy.

 

[editor]

You get what your doled up if that. They don't have proper meals.

It's not like some Victorian prison where there's just a one dollop of gruel for everyone and that's it.

Prisoners were generally offered around five options for lunch and the same for dinner. A typical prison lunch consisted of a sandwich, wrap or portion of pasta, served with a piece of fruit or crisps/biscuits. Typical dinners included a choice of curry, pie, baked fish or casserole, accompanied by rice, vegetables, potatoes, and a choice of dessert or fruit. Fruit available in prison is often limited in variety to inexpensive and easy to store items such as apples and oranges.

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/09/Life-in-prison-Food-Web-2016.pdf

 

[editor]

fyi, this is the post you liked. Exclamation point and everything.

And you really have your head in the sand if you think that the solution to the climate crisis is to stop eating meat. You do know that this isn't true, yes? That the burning of fossil fuels is the driver of climate heating? If only it were that fucking easy.

I think you're a bit pissed so I'm going to leave you to your fascinating analysis of what a post like means ("exclamation point and everything"!!!!).

PS Sometimes I might like a post simply because I find it funny or I imagine the reaction it might get. And in this case, it didn't disappoint

 

[Humberto]

It's not like some Victorian prison where there's just a one dollop of gruel for everyone and that's it.

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/09/Life-in-prison-Food-Web-2016.pdf

That example sounds like a punishment diet. e.g A sandwich. I doubt it's much. And that's according to who? The government.

 

[editor]

Looks like America might finally be getting its a act together about the disgusting pollution coming from their farms and abattoirs, but not if livestock groups get their way.

“For decades EPA’s lax rules have allowed for devastating and widespread public health and environmental impacts on vulnerable communities across the country,” Tarah Heinzen, the group's legal director, said Monday.


Beef, poultry and pork have become more affordable staples in the American diet thanks to industry consolidation and the rise of giant farms. Yet federal and state environmental agencies often lack basic information such as where they’re located, how many animals they’re raising and how they deal with manure.

Runoff of waste and fertilizers from the operations — and from croplands where manure is spread — fouls streams, rivers and lakes. It's a leading cause of algae blooms that create hazards in many waterways and dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico and Lake Erie.

EPA considers tougher regulation of livestock farm pollution

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says it will study whether to toughen regulation of large livestock farms that pollute waterways

www.independent.co.uk

 

[editor]

And let's hope this mega chicken farm by the River Wye gets turned down.

The Welsh government is under pressure to block a new mega chicken farm in the Wye catchment, in what campaigners call a “crucial moment in the life or death of the Wye”.

The River Wye has become synonymous with the intensive poultry industry, with more than 20 million chickens in its catchment area, producing more manure than the land can absorb and turning the river the colour of “pea soup”.


A scientific study led by Lancaster University recommends an 80% reduction in poultry manure in the Wye catchment to protect the river, calling for a cut in the overall number of birds and the exporting of manure out of the area.

And it's time to stop handing out grants to intensive farmers along the Wye

In January 2022, the Environmental Audit Committee published its “Water quality in rivers” report, highlighting the impact of intensive poultry production on the Wye, and recommending that “new poultry farms should not be granted planning permission in catchments exceeding their nutrient budgets”.

The Welsh government has played a role in driving the growth of poultry units by handing out millions in grants and encouraging farmers to diversify into poultry farming. Yet in 2018, its chief planner wrote to the heads of all local planning authorities to remind them to “fully consider the effects of intensive agricultural development when determining planning applications”. The letter stressed the risks to sensitive habitats and the need to consider the “cumulative impacts” of such developments.

Landmark decision on mega poultry farm could mean ‘life or death’ of River Wye

Welsh government considers whether to block plan after experts say manure from intensive units is turning Wye into ‘pea soup’

www.theguardian.com

 

[bcuster]

But if you can't see what is wrong with imposing dietary changes on people who can't object I can't help you. Your authoritarian stripes are showing

I'm quite sure that entering prison involves involuntary diet changes apart from potentially removing meat from the diet of inmates for the better of society

 

[littlebabyjesus]

removing meat from the diet of inmates for the better of society

That sums up perfectly the authoritarian nature of your argument.

A certain kind of veganism is very much like nationalism. Politically, it is something that can't be trusted. These last few pages show why. If it advances the cause of the 'ism', just about anything will be cheered - food inflation, the immiseration of small farmers and empowering of corporations, the removal of meat from prisoners, anything.

 

[ddraig]

This is great, keep going, don't froth yourself out now or bust a blood vessel!

 

[Spymaster]

I'm quite sure that entering prison involves involuntary diet changes apart from potentially removing meat from the diet of inmates for the better of society

Why not just execute them?

Zero CO2 emissions or animal sexual abuse; no more pig torture, and as a bonus, a massive reduction in recidivism.

 

[Spymaster]

That sums up perfectly the authoritarian nature of your argument.

A certain kind of veganism is very much like nationalism. Politically, it is something that can't be trusted. These last few pages show why. If it advances the cause of the 'ism', just about anything will be cheered - food inflation, the immiseration of small farmers and empowering of corporations, the removal of meat from prisoners, anything.

This has long been the case with certain vegetable people. Most are reasonable but they avoid these threads so it's not the vegetables making the others weird and irrational. It's the other way round. The whole scene provides a bandwagon for hokey oddballs to jump on.

 

[DaphneM]

A certain kind of veganism is very much like nationalism. Politically, it is something that can't be trusted. These last few pages show why. If it advances the cause of the 'ism', just about anything will be cheered - food inflation, the immiseration of small farmers and empowering of corporations, the removal of meat from prisoners, anything.

The Daily Mailification of Urbsn75

 

[ddraig]

oh look, back with another shite hit and run

 

[editor]

That sums up perfectly the authoritarian nature of your argument.

A certain kind of veganism is very much like nationalism. Politically, it is something that can't be trusted. These last few pages show why. If it advances the cause of the 'ism', just about anything will be cheered - food inflation, the immiseration of small farmers and empowering of corporations, the removal of meat from prisoners, anything.

I have to say today's strawman is already looking considerably more impressive than yesterday's. Great work.

 

[butcher]

 

[CNT36]

And let's hope this mega chicken farm by the River Wye gets turned down.



And it's time to stop handing out grants to intensive farmers along the Wye

Landmark decision on mega poultry farm could mean ‘life or death’ of River Wye

Welsh government considers whether to block plan after experts say manure from intensive units is turning Wye into ‘pea soup’

www.theguardian.com

What a waste of fertiliser. We need farms for shit then they just let it wash away.

 

[platinumsage]

Manure from poultry farms around here is used to feed Thetford Power Station

Thetford Power Station | mre-uk

www.mreuk.com

 

[editor]

Manure from poultry farms around here is used to feed Thetford Power Station

Thetford Power Station | mre-uk

www.mreuk.com

Not sure if factory farmed fertiliser is particularly ideal, really.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/country-and-farming/transporting-300000-birds-to-ps6m-chicken-farm-will-pose-no-highways-concerns-residents-told-3891975

 

[Aquamarine]

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[Funky_monks]

What a waste of fertiliser. We need farms for shit then they just let it wash away.

They don't - the shit is spread on crops in an incorrect manner and it leaches or is washed into the river.

Intensive poultry units are enclosed temperature regulated sheds on concrete.

 

[friedaweed]

This sounds like a great idea

Serve vegan burgers in schools to trigger shift from meat, says report

Researchers urge governments to use public procurement of plant-based proteins to bring about cascading changes that help tackle climate change

www.newscientist.com

Report https://www.systemiq.earth/breakthrough-effect/

You want the government to decide what people eat including kids in schools in order for "the alternative protein sector to scale up and bring down its costs" ? You really have gone down a rabbit hole with that one

 

[editor]

You want the government to decide what people eat including kids in schools in order for "the alternative protein sector to scale up and bring down its costs" ? You really have gone down a rabbit hole with that one

I can't move for strawmen these days. My concern clearly is - and has always been - the environment. Apart from some rabidly pro-dead flesh nutters here, the general scientific consensus is that reducing the consumption of meat plays an important part in fighting climate change.

 

[Funky_monks]

Dublin declaration of scientists who think that meat production systems are an important part of safeguarding the health of the planet, habitats and populations up to 700 signatures now.

That's 700 scientists.

Apparently, all cranks.

ffs.

Signatures

 

[kabbes]

Dublin declaration of scientists who think that meat production systems are an important part of safeguarding the health of the planet, habitats and populations up to 700 signatures now.

That's 700 scientists.

Apparently, all cranks.

ffs.

Signatures

But what do the Guardian columnists reckon?

 

[bcuster]

High-Protein Alternatives to Meat

Tasty protein with fewer carbon emissions.

getpocket.com

 

[Funky_monks]

But what do the Guardian columnists reckon?

I believe they reckon that using the same piece of research to spawn several hundred articles all hopelessly skewed is exactly the same as a scientific consensus.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Fossil fuels are a red herring. It's all about the meat.

animal agriculture position paper - Climate Healers

 

[Funky_monks]

Fossil fuels are a red herring. It's all about the meat.

animal agriculture position paper - Climate Healers

That's insane! Just goes to show what mathematical hoops the cranks will jump through in their zeal....


In other news, work at Rothamstead is showing promising evidence that methanotrophic bacteria and/or fungi exist in the sward and utilise anthropogenic methane as ruminants graze..... As yet unpublished, mind.

 

[CNT36]

Fossil fuels are a red herring. It's all about the meat.

animal agriculture position paper - Climate Healers

Don't be a knob.

 

[CNT36]

That's insane! Just goes to show what mathematical hoops the cranks will jump through in their zeal....


In other news, work at Rothamstead is showing promising evidence that methanotrophic bacteria and/or fungi exist in the sward and utilise anthropogenic methane as ruminants graze..... As yet unpublished, mind.

And... the significance? Why would they treat it any differently from any other methane from grazing ruminants? As you give the impression all ruminants are equal and that methane from farmed animals is used in the methane cycle causing no additional heating why would this matter?